anyone ?? :-)

well if no one is posting it must be cuz they're all still in shock from that supreme setlist..

if only the strange remain well, LET IT GROW!!!

see ya all new years eve!!!

WHAT A SETLIST!!! - where will they break out SHAKEDOWN???

a friend let me know that tomorrow night (11-15-02) will be Shakedown opener because it is the anniversary of the Shakedown album...We'll see...

Just got back from the show. Pretty good, but not great. The band seemed a little loose, they missed several cues through out. I don't know if it was just first night nerves, but it felt like they never really got locked in on a lot of stuff and there was too much mendering around between tunes. Some jams sounded great even though Jimmy was low in the mix most of the show. I certainly would have loved to hear another tune for the encore other the The Strange Remain. Take the mic away from Mickey please! I give him credit for trying, but I can think of much better tunes to do as an encore. The civic center's acoutics were really good, but they could have stood to be louder, from where I was any way. The scene in the lot was not bad, a good shakedown was happenning, only bad thing was the cops. They were on horse-back, bikes, on the roof and just about everywhere you turned. I'm sure the guys will start coming together more as the tour goes on. Not bad for starters.

Holy shit, asshole morning radio DJ in Tampa Fla busting on the Roanoke cops. Said there was a sweep in the lot right after the show started. Said deadheads are peaceful and should be left alone. I hate this DJ, but for once he's on our side.

The setlist is awesome. Opening with St. Stephen, first set Playin, and China>Rider(Go Figure). Wow, they sure don't seem to be holding back. How was the Playing? How was Jimmy? Did they put together a MIDI kit for him yet? Does he have the diverse array of sounds required to play in the slot that has been allocated to him?

Lets hope for a hot shakedown tonight!!!

I heard they cut off Bobby a few times during the show, is this true????

sh!t happenes...we all know it wasnt intentianal if they did cut him off..

first night of tour ...it only gets better

cant wait to see these guys!

cut - n - paste from r.m.gd

---------Well, I was pretty "suspicious" of this whole Other Ones thing. Would the music
really be good? Would it seem kind of sad? Would the vibe still be there? Or
would it make me remember that you just "can't go home again"?
Holy shit, was I mistaken!! Those guys absolutley rocked! There were some parts
of the show I didn't dig as much as others, and the "Only the Strange Remain"
encore wasn't what I was hoping for, but as a whole...wow. I mean WOW.
The scene at the Civic Center was pretty cool from what I can tell. Very much
like the shows I went to from 89-93 but a bit more mellow. The police were
great and seemed to just make sure things didn't get out of hand.
I am feeling damn old this morning. Home by 11:30 after a show, and I *still*
feel like I got hit by a truck!!
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the setlist looks hot...
i can't wait for the upcoming shows!
what will tonight bring?

http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story139721.html



Friday, November 15, 2002

'Other Ones' sound like old friends

The marathon show was a long, strange nostalgia trip.

By RALPH BERRIER, JR.
THE ROANOKE TIMES



By now, it's Friday morning, the coffee's brewing, the newspaper has landed on your doorstep, and the surviving members of the Grateful Dead just stopped jamming.

If Dead fans ever doubted for a minute that their favorite band would be the same after lead guitarist and vocalist Jerry Garcia's death in 1995, they can suspend those beliefs now. Jerry's old pals may call themselves The Other Ones these days, but they sure as heck still look and sound like the Dead.

For the 10,703 fans who turned the sold-out Roanoke Civic Center into one big love-in Thursday night, that was just fine. The Other Ones kicked off their first national tour with a marathon 3 1/2 -hour show that was heavy on extended tunes and instrumentals.

The living Dead sounded a lot like the old Dead. Guitarist and vocalist Bob Weir has assumed center stage, and he steered his comrades through a long, strange nostalgia trip that reached deep into the Dead catalog.

Did we say long? The band - which includes original members Weir, bassist Phil Lesh and percussionists Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann - didn't play sets of songs as much as they interspersed a few recognizable verses and choruses among the lengthy, rhythmic instrumentals. Say one thing for these guys: Even in their 50s, they've got stamina. Indiana Jones never wound up in as many jams as these dudes.

Oh sure, there was a fair share of opening-night slip-ups. Weir would attempt to guide the band with a wave or a nod, as if he were a New York City traffic cop. A couple of times, the musical changes didn't fully mesh, and Weir, Lesh and keyboardist Rob Barraco miscommunicated on vocals.

Many fans probably never noticed - or even cared. The band played on, looking pretty relaxed and carefree as giant video screens showed hippie-drippy, jelly-like graphics that pulsated, wiggled and jiggled like the Lava Lamp That Ate Roanoke.

The Other Ones wasted no time getting to old favorites, opening with a suite of songs that included "Saint Stephen" and "The Wheel." They got downright bluesy on "Broken Arrow" and "Playing in the Band" before ending the first set with the rollicking "I Know You Rider." Jimmy Herring, in the unenviable role as Garcia's replacement, doled out familiar-sounding guitar lines that never strayed too far off into the ozone.

After old pal Robert Hunter played a halftime show of acoustic blues and folk, the boys returned for two solid hours of jamming that rarely ceased. It was funny to see a few old Deadheads in the upper reaches of the civic center who caught a few winks during the lengthy second-set jams. The Dead always wanted to change your consciousness, but I don't think they meant to make people unconscious.

Amid the jams, the band hit other favorites such as "Franklin's Tower," the folk and bluegrass standard "Going Down the Road Feeling Bad" and "Hell in a Bucket." They also closed strong with one of their most popular songs, "Box of Rain."

The other site says Cosmic Charlie on "prepared setlist" as 2nd encore.

http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story139722.html


Friday, November 15, 2002

Police arrest about 30 Deadheads at concert

The number of arrests was about half that of the Grateful Dead's 1987 concert in Roanoke.

By SHAWNA MORRISON
THE ROANOKE TIMES



At least 30 people must have thought Roanoke police were bluffing when they announced their "zero tolerance" drug policy would be strictly enforced at the Roanoke Civic Center on Thursday night.

From the time the civic center's gates opened for the first performance on The Other Ones' tour to just before the band finished playing, about 30 people had been arrested for drug- and alcohol-related offenses, said Roanoke police spokeswoman Shelly Alley. The charges included possession of marijuana and possession with intent to distribute crack cocaine, Alley said.

That's half as many arrests as when The Grateful Dead played in Roanoke in 1987. Police learned a lesson from that concert and were determined to have a presence Thursday night when The Other Ones - the remaining members of The Grateful Dead - took the stage.

"A substantial amount" of officers were on hand "in a variety of forms," Alley said. Police were inside and outside the civic center, riding bikes and horses, dressed in uniforms and jeans. They were directing traffic on street corners, checking bags at entrances and keeping watch at other businesses in the area, including McDonald's on Williamson Road and the Rutherford Avenue post office.

The first arrests were made just minutes after the gates opened at 4 p.m. Two bike officers made drug-related arrests on properties adjacent to the civic center.

The rest of the night was filled with situations such as parking problems and fights among pet dogs some people had taken to the civic center. Capt. Bill Althoff said the problem was handled easily by making an animal control officer visible on the scene.

"I don't think we've arrested any dogs," he said.

Alley said that, because the concert was still in progress when she reported the arrests at 10:30 p.m., the number is "very preliminary." The concert ended at 11. Alley said she would have a full arrest report today.

"For the most part, everything went very smooth," she said.

http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story139711.html

Friday, November 15, 2002
When gates opened, fans set up shop
Loyal Deadheads make the scene

As The Other Ones launch their first tour, their fans flout "zero tolerance" warnings from Roanoke police.

By ZEKE BARLOW
THE ROANOKE TIMES



They came to say that the Dead will never die.

Even with their ringleader gone, they came in droves.

Though the police preached zero tolerance, that meant zilch to the legions of tokers among them.

And never mind that their rock stars are now gray-haired family men.

None of that mattered to the Deadheads who came to Roanoke wearing their tie-dyes, sporting their dreadlocks, hawking their glass pipes, and dancing and rattling and shaking their bones.

The Dead came to life one more time in Roanoke on Thursday night.

It was a different scene, yes. Jerry Garcia's gone to the Hall of Fame in the sky. But in the end, it really wasn't that different even though the band has a new name, The Other Ones. It was the first show of their first tour.

The parking lot scene still harked back to the days of that other band, as sweet-smelling smoke filled the air and the hippies banged on bongos and searched for that "miracle" free ticket.

There were the usual fans who trekked for days, such as the man who swears his name is just Star. He drove in from upstate New York late Wednesday and camped out in Thrasher Park, a mile from the Roanoke Civic Center.

"I'm waiting for 10,000 of my friends to show up," said Star, clad only in a sarong and a wool stocking cap.

As fans trickled into Roanoke throughout the day Thursday, they had to hang out in parks and coffee shops until police would let them into the parking lot at 4 p.m. It was part of an effort to keep the scene much more mellow than the 1987 Dead show, when more than 60 people were arrested on charges ranging from possession of drugs to possession of the audacity to run through the parking lot naked.

When Shusen Shibata from Tokyo showed up a day early on Wednesday, he was turned away from the parking lot. So he slept underneath a juniper tree near the civic center. "The scene" is one of his favorite parts of American culture, he said.

"Lots of kind people," he said.

And Shibata wasn't disappointed at the parking lot scene.

As the gates opened at 4, the microbuses and minivans started pouring into the parking lot, their occupants quickly setting up lawn chairs, breaking out the hacky sacks and cranking tunes from days of old.

A partial list of goods for sale included: posters of Garcia that read "Gonna miss you when I'm gone"; T-shirts screen-printed with "No War on Iraq"; grilled cheese sandwiches galore; $300 hand-blown glass pipes; Guinness Stout (and every other imaginable kind of beer ); beaded necklaces; and, of course, many, many tie-dyed T-shirts. For those who were into non monetary trade, there were many who said they'd trade tickets for LSD or hash.

Though the police said they would forbid any vending and had zero tolerance for drugs, there was plenty of both to go around.

The first arrest in the parking lot happened seven minutes after the gates opened.

But Rhonda Wood of Troutville said that stuff happens at any concert. A Deadhead from way back, she brought her children to the concert to let them experience the music she grew up on. Wood said that when she was at Alan Jackson's concert Sunday night, she saw just as many people smoking marijuana, but there was just a fraction of the number of cops.

"The Dead followers are peaceful people," she said as Garcia wailed from her car stereo.

Tom Souza of Rappahannock County was selling glass pipes as he put one of his creations to use. He said he wasn't too worried about the very visible police who patrolled the parking lot on bikes and horses.

"Don't we have freedom of choice, man? We're just huffing, having a good time. We're not hurting anybody," he said.

http://www.wset.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=62960&f1=loc


"Dead Heads" in Roanoke
Thursday November 14, 2002 6:29pm Reporter: Ray Daudani Posted By: Tab O'Neal


Roanoke, VA - The remaining members of the Grateful Dead are returning to the stage at the Roanoke Civic Center tonight...But not without warning. Star City police are beefing up security - hoping to avoid a repeat of their last visit to town.

Sorry no camping out in the Civic Center parking lot this time deadheads. Maybe at the mall.

Denise Sweeney, Owner, A Little Bit Hippy, "Right when I opened this guy sort of stumbled in and I said 'Do you need something for the concert?' and he was like 'just spent the night in the parking lot.'"

15 years ago the Grateful Dead played Roanoke and fans turned the Civic Center parking lot into a makeshift campsite. Problem is they left it looking like a dump. Not this time.

Buy your tie-dye at the store. No unauthorized merchandise can be sold at the show. Oh, and you may want to try on your old duds.

Sweeney, "A lot em say they can't get in to what they have."

And you'll have to wear shirts and shoes. Bummer? Not really.

Sweeney, "I've had a lot of them and everybody's just real excited and in a real good mood. Can't wait to get there."

Todd Brunozzi, Deadhead, "I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania."

Todd Brunozzi couldn't wait to get here.

Brunozzi, "6 and a half hours. Me and my dog made the trip."

The music's changed too, since Jerry Garcia passed away, leaving the band to reform as "The Other Ones." Not that it matters to the fans.

Brunozzi, "They're not trying to replace Jerry. They're kind of just being 'The Other Ones.'"

So with all these changes, will we see a similar scene to 15 years ago? Fans say no.

Sweeney, "Hippy people are good people. I don't think they'll cause any problems."

After all, it's about peace, love and understanding.

When the Grateful Dead played Roanoke in 1987 more than 60 arrests were made...mostly for drug offenses.

Cops suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2002/112002/11152002/tour

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/319/living/Still_playing_in_the_band+.shtml

not a review but I thought I would put it with the rest of them.

Sorry about all the posts...just got caught up in the moment I guess

>Cops suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't call them when you need them then you hero.

See how much they suck then.

Cops don't suck, DRUG LAWS DO!!!

I know many cops who are some of the kindest folks around. We have laws, they enforce them from 9 to 5, then go home to their families and drink some brews with their buds. They aren't some evil alien race!

what if they are drinking out of a straw?

and what if it's a bendy straw?
(ala Bowling for Columbine....I paraphrase. We call cops when there is trouble bc cops have guns. If we armed and protected OURselves, we'd have less need for cops. More GUNS!)
humor, humor....true digression
SLAP SLAP SLAP
ok, show show show
were they howling and stuff during strange remain???

The silence today is deafening...

This is not directed at the previous posters, but I have read enough of the local paper stories over the years to know the story before they are written. I would like to hear from one of us. How was the show, the actual music etc...

anxious...

How about some music reviews?

anybody got hunters setlist?

LT...Great job with the Posts...way to keep us informed!!!!

>>Weir would attempt to guide the band with a wave or a nod, as if he were a New York City traffic cop.

HAHAHA!


Can't wait for more reviews. Thanks Jack Straw. Thanks for the articles Lessthan. :*)

Let's get this thread back to the music!

well, since no one else is stepping up...not exactly mr. ace cub reporter here, but here's the short play by play...

for myself this show put to rest any doubts as to whether they're going furthur or backwards...

nice little zoner gathering acroos the street at the Best Inn...Zoner banner hanging prominently from 2nd story balconey...bike cops and rotweiller's in the lot...they seemed intent on securing the perimeter..

great seeing Carlin, Daydream and meeting JackStraw (thanks bro), Hurricane and Beth..

sets were very much in PLQ spirit, very jammy show, remarkably tight despite being so early in the tour, not flawless and sometines meandering, but very ambitious and creative jamwise...Phil laying down the thick, snaking groove and Jimmy ripping all night, no midi effects, just that clean Jimmy sound...

lot scene ok but confined, no portajohns (???) and lots of show of force, but I didn't see any overt aggression from the law enforcers other than just a lot of 'em..

got inside and they came on punctually at 7, got to our seats right as lights went down..BOOOOM!!!

St. Stephen opener...OH MY!! Pretty similar to Philband version, Jimmy playing leads straight up, very Allman-esque...Phil, Rob and Bob all on vocals. From there into a spacey jam that gravitated into Wheel, MUCH better than on Conan (diversionary tactic!)

Wheel into another extended spacey jam, Phil and Jimmy kicking into a higher gear before bringing it back into a nice Cassidy, the double keyboards adding texture and dimension to Jimmy's leads, Bob's voice sounding good.

Broken Arrow, nice change of pace, Phil's voice strong and heartfelt, Rob and Bob blending well on the harmonies...then dissolving into another adventurous Jam before settling back into a standard Playin'... after "daybreak on the land" they took it back on out into the stratosphere, Billy and Mickey playing aggressively off of Phil's phat, rolling lines, Bob hitting dissonant riffs as counter point, keyboards and Jimmy notes all over the place.

Not sure if what happened next was scripted or not but they were building into what was promising to be an epic Other One, they were full into the momentum build and it was just a matter of seconds before Phil ripped the opening rumble and then it kinda of imploded, confused looks and then all of a sudden they're launching into a bouncy China with Rob doing his usual great job on the vocals... not a real long version but nice and clean..standardish transition into Rider..again pretty straight on but sweet, vocals working well between Rob, Bob and Phil. Very strong set.

Hunter then came out, don't have the list but off the top Peggy-o, Dire Wolf, Ripple, Scarlet..he mentioned something to the effect of "Alpine was Alpine, y'all are here for the REAL beginning..."

Set 2: everyone came out and started right into more space and dissonance, lightshow was right on all night, lotsa lava lampish melty stuff projected onto the screens over the speakers and behind the drummers...lazery lines combing the arena...then everyone but the drummers left and Mickey and billy went back and went to work..Mickey taking the big primal drums and Billy playing the toms..maybe five, ten minutes then everyone returned for more weirdness and then BOOOOM again..Help On The Way, O-TAY!!! Again sounded tight and well played, Rob handling the vocals with Bob and Phil filling on the harmonies..standard transition into Slipknot, no teases or references from Jimmy, Bobby actually slipped in a Skin It Back riff. Phil was booming these full deep notes while Jimmy's tearing up the high end, "slipped" into more spacey stuff before Phil led to the bridge back into Slipknot and then into Franklins...

New arrangement here...Phil and Rob dueting the vocals, pretty cool and different, Bob joining in on the "roll away's"... Again, Jimmy all that on the leads, played at more of a Philco pace than traditional Dead versions..

next..Phil gets this mischievous smile, turns and says something to Billy and back to Rob and then starts rolling up and down the fret into Caution..very reminiscent of 5/4 NOLA, Rob singing the first verse: "I went dooowwwwwwwn..."

then a hard left back into psychedalia and mayhem, weird spacey noodly and then the unmistakable rock guitar intro to Viola, WOOHOO!!!

Flavor a little different from PLQ's version, obviously no slide and Warren vocals gave it a different texture, but still plenty big and fat, vibe was awesome!

Going from Viola into space and then Jimmy hitting first notes of Bucket was a bit odd and incongruent, but hey, this is a new gig, right?

This was classic Bobby.. Jimmy tearing up the leads, Bob doing his best cheese and scream(sleeveless, shorts and birks ladies ;) Really hitting the high ones for the "enjoyin' the rides"...

then back into Viola, sang the verse and then right back into spacey jam before noodling their way into GDTRFB...nice w/ Bob doing most of the vocals here too, one point he tried to sing and Jimmy just played straight through, then Bob kinda tripped on a verse and smacked himself in the forehead but shook it off and stepped back into the fray..Back to Jam into Viola 3, again the harmonies different but appealing..then into what may have been the sickest jam of the night, Phil playing like a man possessed and everyone feeding and following that contagious thick groove, my chest vibrating, rolling and booming until they headed back into a Playin' reprise and then a sweet Box to close...again Phil sounding strong on the vocals...

they went to back of stage, Phil, Billy, Jeff and Rob exchanging hugs, then Mickey and Bob coming over too... back onto the stage and they go right into more weird jammy stuff into...Only The Strange Remain????? Not a big fan of the Micky Rap but that said it was well played...kinda anti-climactic though...would have been perfect with a Cosmic Closer but the curfew prolly precluded...Bob leaving the stage saying "we had fun"...

Definitely worth a peek and thanks for the setlist guys!!!

Weir leading the band?

From what I saw at Alpine (and the rehearsal last June) Phil was definitely the Music Director of the Other Ones/

PL&J

Richie

Ain't no doubt...

that was a damn fine review midyswel. keep em coming folks!

That was an awesome review Midy!!! (I hope you had a super phine time!!!) THANK YOU! Just what we've been waiting for.

Midyswel:

Nice job....

Just looking at the list, it would appear Phil is calling the shots.

And, I guess he's got the hammer - He had his own gig that's doing pretty well, & the other 3 members need him more than he needs them......

Not trying to stir things up, just an observation.

BTW, The Wheel: Phil style, Dead style, Ratdog style?

St Stephen: A definite stop like P&F does after "What would the answer to the Answer Man?", or was there a jam after that part like '83 or Alpine this summer?

Sorry to inform you you but, Bob DOES leed most of the time. Last night any way.

thanks midy! i felt like i was there!

I am suprised no one is complaining yet that they played the wheel two nights in a row!!



GREAT REVIEW MIDY.....but now I need to clean the puddle of drool off my desk...can't wait until tonight.

thanks for the in depth review, midyswel. 5 more days for my first TOO (this version anyway)

Bob may have THOUGHT he was in charge

>>>>Kreutzmann, for one, prefers Barraco to Bruce Hornsby, the better-known keyboardist who was in earlier incarnations of the band. ''Bruce isn't really a Grateful Dead man,'' says Kreutzmann. ''He's so Bruce that it's Bruce's band whenever he's in a band. Whereas Rob Barraco was in the Zen Tricksters, a Grateful Dead cover band, and he knows all of the material really well. He can teach us in case we forget it.

Hell ya!!

nice review midyswel, it sounds like the boys were on last night.

By on the bus offspring (Lennonb) (152.163.189.169) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 08:57 am: Edit

Come on now, clue us in on the details!


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By Sly (Slydell) (68.70.51.18) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:32 am: Edit

I arrived a little late to the show. I had been up all night with the gypsy woman by the tracks. Literally.
Oh Yeah!!


Caution -- how fitting!! I live by railroad tracks and am moving away this week. I live like 50 yards from a railroad crossing and will miss the whistling as they go by. Surrounding the tracks is wilderness you can bushwhack for miles in. I've explored these woods for the last four years and have followed the railroad tracks many times to do so. The tracks by my house lead right to Roanoke after about 17 miles. Very close to the civic Center. I am in love with the gypsy woman by the tracks (my neighbor.)

Saw Cassidy with P&F Raleigh this summer, the Roanoke version was good but did not have the same punch.
Jeff and Rob on both on keys are great. They complement the tunes very well and give the songs a jazzy feel. Mickey would stop all together many times to allow Billy the drumming to himself for more jazzy, smooth transitions. Many times Billy stopped too.
Broken Arrow was tight and enjoyed.
The playin in the band was spirited and well receieved by the crowd. Phil was on. Bobby not getting too crazy with stage antics.
Wow...The Other One....Short but sweet. Phil a large presence. Felt like Jimmy was trying to find the groove sometimes at first, but couldn't quite. Once playin- other one hit, the crowd's energy propelled the band onto another level.
China Cat-Rider was smooth and energetic. Well Done. Good First Set Closer.
Wish I remembered Robert Hunter's Set better. I believe he started with Brown-Eyed Woman. Walked out playing his acoustic guitar with head gear microphone on. Very Cool. An extremely soulful set. Felt like Jerry was hovering about. Can hear Jerry's influence and teachings in Hunter's playing. Hunter's picking was fluid and never missed a note. Captured the awe of everyone by himself. Played a beautiful Peggy-O->Dire Wolf->Peggy-O. Touched me cause I just met my Peggy-O and am being murdered at the same time. Ripple to close the set was absolutely serene. Walked off the stage while still playing.
The Dead came out to begin the second set without much delay following hunter. An ambient jam began to give background loops for drums. Drums began the second set and at times in appeared Mickey was playing melodies on a xylophone. Whatever was being played was not loops from before they walked off the stage. The members followed back on stage to begin with.....
Help!!! Yes.... Tight. Phil was a presence. The groove was on. Help is on the Way!!!
Franklin's was a spirited and people were getting their groove the freak on!!!!!! Jimmy was out of control. The band did not bring the song to a close rather slowly enter into the bass riffs for caution. Hell yea. Roanoke's roots go back very far with the railroad. N&S has been a huge employer for as long as anyone can remember. Rail is a huge presence in this city. A great tune to resurrect on tour opener. The jam slowly built until an all out slaughter with Barraco on vocals. Rob afforded the vocals the blues necesary to carry the tune.
The into...
Viola!!!
Oh yeah. Band is on. Builds up the Viola Lee jam up and up. When it can't go any further ->
Hell on a Bucket
Great tune. I never did care for this tune a while ago. I like it alot now. Jimmy does justice too it with his fast, technical playing. Band did not miss a beat. Great tune for me to hear. I am going to hell in a bucket you mother fucking cops. But I am going to piss on your graves (nothing to do with Roanoke police force)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
into GDTHRFB
soulful tune. crowd into it.
back into viola again!!!
yes! band just keeps builiding up the viola lee jam until
playin reprise. cool. very tight. sounds like old school dead amazingly. doesn't go into any far out jams -- stay tight with the song and into ...
Box of Rain...awesome. crowd sings along. I think Jimmy can relate to this song right now because his father is very sick right now. I believe it cause I need it. Never though phil singing a song would bring tears to my eyes. touching closer.
band comes out to pumped up crowd. billy k puts his fists to the air many times in pumped up fashion.
only the strange remain encore. amusing.

walk outside to the entire police force of southwest virginia on foot, car, horseback, roof, undercover, below manhole cover, up my ass.
fuck you pig. I'll walk acroos this parking lot.


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By Tee Zee (Ztorin) (12.105.66.98) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:45 am: Edit

About how long was the show? Including Hunter's set? Just curious how to plan the Boston shows.
When they went on, off, etc...


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By Sly (Slydell) (68.70.51.18) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:48 am: Edit

Started at exactly 7. Ended almost on the dot at 11.
Hunter's set was 30-40 min??


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By Dakota Gunner (Gunner) (206.229.18.226) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:48 am: Edit

thanks sly


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By Richie Nagan (Negman) (24.190.155.158) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 10:29 am: Edit

>>Mickey would stop all together many times to allow Billy the drumming to himself for more jazzy, smooth transitions.

I've seen Mickey play many times and I think the reason he stops is that he loses the beat and has to regroup.

Just my humble opinion based on observation.

PL&J

Richie


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By Marpesny1 (Marpesny1) (209.130.219.200) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 10:37 am: Edit

did the viola sound more like the dead from the early 70s where they built it up and then dropped back into the chorus with that slow chunky feel, or more like phils versions where they just rock it out.

how was the stage setup? was their a good view from the side of the stage seats and rear seats?

Thanks for the great reviews.
Sounds like Weir was trying to call the shots...cutting of Other One pre-thunder to launch into China.
Wish I had been there I'm kicking myself for not committing to the early Dec shows in SF.

The stage set-up is nice. Just about like The Dead of later years. Cool screans with visuals cover the PA along with a backdrop. Nice shots of sunsets, mountians, oceans and dripping lava. The band is going wireless so this is a bit of a change(It's about time!). Drums are set-up in the same tradition that they use be, the beast lurks behind them. The light show was great as always, candance does a great job.
They need to get the volume up some, it just didn't seem loud enough through out the night. Jimmy was low in the mix and they kept the lights off of him most of the time. I don't really understand this, he's part of the band yet he was in the shadows all night.

HEY POWERS THAT BE, TURN JIMMY UP IN THE MIX!!
HE'S A ROCK STAR GOLDANGIT!!

Were there many tapers in the venue last night?

>>Weir leading the band?
i believe that was from a newspaper review, keep that in mind.

Phil was definitely leading the band last night...
He had the internal monitor system working like
Phil and Friends,, He was counting down everything,, and everybody was feeding off of him!!! Jeff Chemente needed a rear view mirror to keep looking at Phil for the ques. One of the people near me commented that Bobby always had his back to Jimmy,,, But that was only because
he too was watching Phil for direction.

Make no mistake,, Phil is driving and directing the bus now!!! (He should have taken over in 1990!!!!)

There were a few rough spots,, and there was a little rust,, maybe we're a little spoiled by the tightness of P+F,, but overall it was a good
show.

Safe travels!!!

A friend sent me this review of the opening night concert (Thursday)...

Set 1:
St. Stephen>
The Wheel>
Jam>
Cassidy>
Broken Arrow>
Bluesey Jam>
Playin' In The Band>
Other One Jam>
China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider

Set 2:
Drumz>
(band returns) Jam>
Help on The Way>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower>
Caution (lyrics and all! This was not just a jam)
Viola Lee Blues>
Hell In A Bucket>
Viola>
Goin' Down The
Road Feelin' Bad>
Viola>
Playin' Reprise>
Box of Rain
E: Only The Strange Remain

OK I am gonna go out on a limb here and say some things I have never
said in a public forum. I have two words to say about last night, I was
there, and that is "Fuck ME!" I was so very blown away. Ya know I have
seen folks say they will not go, Jimmy sucks, the boys are just cashing
in, greed, nostalgia show, etc. Well ya know what? I like having a good
time. I like live music. I loved the Dead when I was doing that thing. I
love Dead shows on CD and am glad to be able to get them. But let me
tell you that the band last night was tighter than any thing I have seen
up to this point. I will never forget my time with the Dead I will miss
it forever. But ya know life is fluid and things change. Is TOO the
Dead, NO! Is TOO one hot fucking band? If they keep doing what they did
last night they are the hottest ticket around. I am telling you I went
last night in hopes of having a good time and being with friends. I got
that and much much more. TOO delivered the goods ten fold. The setlist
looks great but if you could have heard it you would understand. I mean
look at the first set, out of the gate with Stephen and what a Stephen
it was, I was floored and it never let up. When the Caution got going I
am saying "cool a Caution Jam" then to my surprise it was full blown
Caution! Rob handled the lyrics so damn good. It was just sick. And my
god the Viola broke up into three parts was just, hell I can't even put
it into words. It had one down and dirty grind that would not stop.
Every member of the band last night poured their heart into the music.
Phil was all over the place, Mickey and Billy were laying down a beat
that was to die for. Bobby and Jimmy, yes Jimmy, were fantastic! The
keys were just crazy the China Cat was sick, sick, sick. If this band
doesn't fall into the trap of being predictable like the Dead were this
is gonna be the beginning of one good ride. I know the guys that say
they are not gonna go probably won't but if you are on the fence I am
telling you to GO! I went not expecting much and I still can't get over
it. I drove home after it ended and was just ridding on air the whole
way. Fuck the ticket situation, GDTS were delt a bad hand maybe, maybe
they can work a better deal in the future but the only thing that really
matters is getting in the door. That's all I cared about back in the day
and that is all I cared about last night. Oh and another thing...the
encore. I never liked it when the 2000 version of TOO did it, in fact I
pretty much thought Only the Strange sucked. My mind has been changed,
last night that song went and I mean it went far. Life is all about
what you make it and how you look at things. Jerry has left us with some
wonderful memories and The Dead are no longer but the MUSIC lives on and
is even developing into a whole new and exciting thing. As Hunter said
after his first number, " Alpine was Alpine. This is the beginning of a
great thing. The band is at the top of their game." Oh yeah Hunter's set
smoked! Well I am still kinda in a cloud of joy this morning. I did some
things last night that I haven't done in prolly 13 years and am glad I
did. I am gonna go now and if some kind taper ended up getting a clean
recording last night you guys are not gonna be disappointed.

Easy, I like your friend. It made me happy just to read about someone being so happy.

Anyone who says that Jimmy sucks is full of shit, word.

what exactly was the deal with the caution. some say jam, some say full, some say it had only partial lyrics. so what's up with it? anyone?

it was partial.

O.K. here goes with a long, rambling, sort of review of last night. Pardon the bad grammar and other errors but I'm trying to do this fast while I'm at work.
I got to the show around 5:00 and within 10 mins. an undercover officer asked me if I was looking for buds. There were cops everywhere. I didn't see any body being harrassed, but they definitely made there presence felt. The lot was full by 6:00 and they were sending people to the overflow lots with the shuttles. The Shakedown rows were shoulder to shoulder but a decent vibe going in. Due to lack of port-a-potties and the heavy cop presence I went on in about 6:40 and the boys came on about 7:05. Now a little disclaimer before getting to the music. These are just my opinions and my perception of how things went. I was on Phil's side but at the other end of the floor so someone closer may have gotten a completely different take on things.
Phil is definitely running things. He was signalling the changes all night and quite often as ajam wound down he would start a different pulse and they would go off on that so most of the jams had litlle sub-jams within them. Bobby was watching Phil all night and deferring to him. Actually it seemed like Phil got a little frustrated when Bobby would try to lead them somewhere. I remember Phil giving Bobby "the look" several times and I think Phil stopped playing altogether when Bobby was trying to go into Bucket. For the most part though I thought the transitions worked well and when they did turn a corner they were all together and it flowed beautifully. "Sunshine" is really stepping up in my opinion and I am convinced he is the right man for the job. He is always bubbling away and kind of erupts every once in a while. His style and sound really fit well. The only time I missed Warren was late in the second set when i was hoping for slow Jerry ballad. My Jimmy highlights were Franklins, Slip, Caution, Viola, and G.D.T.R.F.B. He shredded all of these tunes and he had plenty of volume when he wanted it. I never noticed Chimenti much so H emust be doing o.k. Rob was all over the place. He was chasing Jimmy around all night. His vocals keep getting better and him singing with Phil on Franklins helped a lot. Overall the vocals were really good. Phil actually sounded pretty good on Broken Arrow and the Harmonies sounded great on everything, especially Box of Rain.The drummers were like putting on an old comfortable shirt. They immediately give it that old school dead show feeling. Phil was loud and pumping. Over the last year every show I've been to Phil has been way up in the mix just like we like it. Now Let me talk a little about Mr. Weir. I couldn't hear bobby's guitar really well until 2nd set but he was fired up and working hard. He is really putting a lot of over exageration into some of his moves and lunges. His body English is starting to remind me of Elaine dancing on Seinfeld. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing, I love Bob, but I think he is still a little further out there than anybody else. Bobby's highlight was definitely the bucket. He even got some good screamage at the end.
The Cassidy was the first set highlight for me. It took me way out. The whole second set felt like a DEAD show to me. I'm really excited to see how this tour will unfold. They got off to a great start and You know its gonna get stanger. I know this is a bold statement after seeing only one show, but right now, If I had to choose between going to see TOO or PLQ I would have to go with TOO

Tim,
I don't think it is that bold. PLQ is an awesome band and I look forward to seeing them live for many, many years but The Other Ones is really what I've been waiting for since August 9, 1995. It's the rest of the Dead with a person on gutiar that knows how to explore Jerry's paths with his own footsteps. They made a couple attemps at this right after August ninth with Kimock (but without Billy) and so forth but the timing wasn't right. It has been 7 years, the 3 new guys in the band are either from Phil's band that plays alot of Dead or from Bobby's band that plays a lot of Dead so they are very familiar and comfortable with this music. I think Jimmy Herring (lead guitar) is also from Jazz is Dead. The point I was trying to make when I first started typing is this is the closest thing to the Dead. The Dead is what I've been missing, therefore this band, The Other Ones is the band I'm most interested in right now. I hope they just take this whole circus on the road. "I'd like to try it one time more. One more time from start to end, I'd like to take that ride again....again!!!!"

>>>I think Jimmy Herring (lead guitar) is also from Jazz is Dead.

Is he?? Never heard of that one. Do you mean before he joined PLQ?

He played w/ Colonel Bruce Hampton in Aquarium
Resuce Unit,, He toured w/ the Allman Bros immediately after they dismissed Dickey Betts.. He was in Frogwings w/ Derek Trucks...

Came up thru the Allmans minor league system...
But he's in the show now!

The man has paid some dues!

The modern era Allmans would have a hard time being in the same venue with this version of GD.
much less the same stage.

Ghost Dancer...yes Jimmy Herring was in "Jazz is Dead" before he was in "PLQ". Alfonso Johnson, the bassist that filled in for Phil on The Other Ones tour when Phil chose to sit that one out, is also from "Jazz is Dead".

www.jazzisdead.com

jazz is dead are so good. they do some of the best dead covers although instumental, and they're a band with no original gd members they still kick major ass. they do really tight versions of all the songs they cover and the jamming with jimmy H. are off the hook. i recommend checking out Blue Light Rain, and some of their live stuff. later-dave

Jimmy Herring is a fine addition to any group of muscicians....and just one "hell" of an excellant pure guitarist any way you slice it! I saw him twice the summer of 99' when he toured with ABB and he smoked with Derek! Since then seeing him with P&F many times, has only supported and enhanced my appreciation of his abilities, and he will further demonstrate that in these next few weeks on the TOO tour!

I can say I'm real happy that good things come around to good people, and Jimmy has certainly earned all the adulation he is now so richly recieving! I'm looking so forward to next weekend in Philly, and I can tell by just these reviews from show #1 that were all in for some great times.....WooooHoooooo

A last second invitation which took me down to Virginia was a wise choice! As the lights went down for the start of the show everyone one was there except Phil {I mean the conductor}. Well, he did emerge to a warm round of applause. I don't have the disc's yet so just some observations. Everyone was in fine form and the jams were spiritual. Hunter I/m/h/o played a powerful set!Man, he was prowling on that stage and leading us down "The Lazy River Road".{which he didn't play}The only drawback of his set was people wouldn't shut the &%#! up! I don't understand, is it his acoustic guitar or is it that he doesn'tlook like Bobby? For whatever the reason at least give him your attention! TOO's second set rocked hard! I can't go into details because the chocolates, puddles and gooballs set me into hyperspace! Onward to Washington!

Can anyone tell me robert hunters full list of songs he played?
I never got a chance to see him before, and man now i know what ive been missing.
thanks

---hunter's set---
brown eyed (start of set)
peggy-0->dire wolf->peggy-o
"alpine was alpine, right here, this is the real beginning folks."
scarlet
so many roads
ripple (closer)

not in correct order

I'm just now getting home and regrouping after the roanoke and dc shows. Overall, fucking awesome!!! So let me start by saying that I had very high expectations for these shows, and I was not disappointed. The Other Ones delivered big time! Go to see them if you can--you won't be sorry.

The scene around Roanoke was cool as far as the heads go (though the cops were all over us). Met some great folks--many from the zone over at the best inn. so great to meet you daydream, midyswell, gcarlin, and anyone else i'm forgetting right now. i also had great conversations with deadheads from all over--pennsylvania, new york, california. the vibe with most everyone was very mellow and cool. i liked being around a crowd of folks of all ages too. saw lots of people i remember from dead tour, just looking a bit older but otherwise it was like a time warp ("seems like i've been here before").

anyway, the heat was on in the parking lot, but no hassles for me personally. went on in the show with my touring family just in time for the lights to go down. at the first notes of st. stephen i knew this show was gonna rock and it sure did! i was immediately struck by the vocals too; the other ones have been practicing singing together, and i thought they sounded quite good on the harmonies. "the wheel" was an appropriate song too, since we were all gathering together to hit the road once again. "cassidy" just took us to the next place, and bobby was sounding great. during "broken arrow" we were asked to quit dancing in our cool little spot, so we worked our way behind the stage for a little more dancing room/less hassle. made it to a great space directly behind the stage, and it sounded really good there. they also had a screen set up back there that was sooo psychedelic. it was melting and swirling color to the beat of the music. i stared at that thing for much of the night. "playin in the band' and the "china - rider" closer were just perfect for getting us all dancing and smiling.

hunter's set was amazing. i had never seen him before, and i was so impressed by his overall presence, his sincerity and folksy-style. his interpretations of the music are so different from the dead's or the other one's that it was almost like hearing totally different songs rather than these old familiar tunes we all know and love. the highpoint for me was when he played ripple and walked off the stage singing. since i was behind the stage the rest of the night, i watched him watching the band and grooving on them. that was cool to see.

anyway, set two took everything to a new level. i loved hearing "drums" again. mickey was banging that huge drum so hard that the the whole building was shaking and air around me was vibrating. very intense. and again, my behind the stage seat was just perfect for watching the drummers do their thing. Okay, so a nice trippy space/drums moment led us into (BAM) "help-slip-franklins." i don't think there's ever a bad time to hear that run, and thursday night was no exception. ("if yo uget confused listen to the music play...") the vocals and playing by everyone was just perfect i thought. next "caution" -- such a great jazzy tune, and the added vocal portion was so awesome. rob sounded *great*. the viola-bucket-viola-gdtrfb-viola is unexplainable. wow. the setlist just can't tell you the whole story here. i mean i never was a huge "bucket" fan, but i was so into this song. you know how sometimes a song can just click for you, many years after you've heard it over and over again. now it's not the same song anymore. that happened to me with "bucket" and the whole "viola" run there. even "gdtrfb" was never a *favorite* of mine, but i heard that special way, in a moment. anyway, and viola was just as huge as ever. and "box of rain" had me crying there at the end, probably due a to a personal situation it really spoke to. ("what do you want me to do, to do for you to see you through? ... a box of rain will ease the pain and love will see you through") that was soul-soothing for me in the biggest way.

so after such an amazing show and setlist, i felt that "only the strange" was a weird encore. but it didn't put a damper on my spirits overall. i left the show exhausted and happy and grateful.

after the show the cops were absolutely awful. they rode their big antsy horses down shakedown street terrifying me and many others with their disregard for trampling humans. so we quickly left the parking lot. they were trying to be a real buzzkill-- didn't take the smile off my face though.... i'm still smiling now :-)

I was on Phil's side of the stage, on the side 1 section out, and 3 rows up and Phil was definitely running the show up until "Playin", when Bobby stepped up and took the wheel. From there on out, things were much more relaxed (they seemed a bit serious for the first few tunes). Phil still delivered all the cues via the internal monitor system, but the show was pretty democratic as far as who had the reigns at any given time. I'm not into writing long reviews, but suffice to say I started going to shows in 79', and went to a boat load throughout the 80's, including those great 85 tours, as well as the breakout St Stephen at the Garden, the Warlocks shows, etc... I have to admit that this was as good (in it's own way), as any of them. If you got off the bus because things got lame in the early 90's, it's time to check your bags and get back on, because this is some pretty sick shit.

Hunter setlist:

Brown Eyed Women
Aim at the Heart->
Dire Wolf->
Peggy-O->
Dire Wolf->
Peggy-O
Wind Blows High
Scarlet
So Many Roads
Ripple

November 14, 2002
Civic Center
Roanoke, VA

On the road again...beer is packed, tunes are loaded and tickets are in hand...its a sunny day and blue skies, as we head on up to the mountains we are all pondering the same question, will we find the Grateful Dead or will this be a nostalgic tour of days past instead of days to come....

Had about an Hr on the lot ... buzz in the air was anticipation and somewhat low key due to the large presence of the MAN...still vendors are vending...and Miracles are happening...saw and 8 yr(w/Dad) get a miracle for his first show -). We wonder through shakedown sipping on a cold beer and starting to see old familiar faces the...circus is in town.

Set 1: St. Stephen>
The Wheel>
Jam>
Cassidy>
Broken Arrow>
Bluesey Jam>
Playin' In The Band>
Other One Jam>
China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider

After a mad dash to the floor, cause the boys went on right @ 7, we are greeted by a huge cluster fuck to get bracelets...so The ST. Stephen was caught while in line...still everyone is going nuts hugs all around and High fives...RIGHT out of the gate ...ROCKING....

We settle in about half way back on the floor between Phil and Rob/Jeff...the wheel is smoking...off to a flying start and the boys are looking like they are ready fer some serious fun... Cassidy was received well and very well done if I may add..Broken Arrow...Phil is on his game and sooths the crowd while Candace baths us in blue liquid lights...Rob takes us down to see the gypsy lady...with an old style pigpen rap...Bobby and Rob going nuts at the end...ALLL YOU NEED.....Playing was up beat and rocking...we where about achieve lift off with the other one...but I heard no one complain when we went off into a very trripy CHINA CAT...with a smooth transition into rider....ah the sun is shining in our backdoor again-)...

Set Break with Hunter was nice ...both nights it added for a very fun and grooving set breaks....Impression of first set where positive and promising...Sounded seemed a little wavering at times and Jimmy needs to be turn up we concluded...Overall pretty tight 1s set....

Set 2: Drumz>
(band returns) Jam>
Help on The Way>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower>
Caution (partial)>
Viola Lee Blues>
Hell In A Bucket>
Viola>
Goin' Down The
Road Feelin' Bad>
Viola> Playin' Reprise>
Box of Rain

Opening Up with Space was mmmm, different and I believe had allot to do with how the second set progressed through the rest of the night...which was smacked full of space jams...Drums...O MY God DRUMS..Seeing BILLY and MICKEY behind the kits again after way to many years was mind blowing enough...not to mention the monster drum session ending up with Mickey going ballistic on the "beast" and driving it home with a 30 second roll on Home plate ...fucking sweet...

Help was solid...the slipknot was being worked on that's for sure...it was a long spaced out knot...but we had some trouble bring it back around for the ending crescendo...none the less it went smoothly into Franklins...up beat and bouncy with lots of colors flying around the stage....the stage setup this tour is one that works really well for me...with to huge projection screens on the side and the traditional round screen above drums...very nice indeed...coming out of Franklin is where we stared to have some communication breakdowns..I noticed Bobby ..looking over at Rob a few time as if saying what the fuck??...

Rest of the second set again seem to get real lax and space/jammy ...Phil seem to do allot of talking into the mic, trying to get a sense of direction which seemed to be lost at this point...BUCKET kicked back into a rocking arena..only to settle it down again..GDTRFB...was a good choice but never really came together as tight as we are accustom too....Bobby again had looks towards Rob and never got a chance to get it rocking towards the end...Playing Reprise and the BOX pretty much save the 2set from dissolving into one long spacey jam....Phil nailed the BOX of Rain...as of to reassure us that this band can do some very spectacular playing....

E: Only The
Strange Remain (MH)

Hehehe...now this was an intersting choice I fer one was exchanging ...half crazy smiles with the neighbors around us...Indeed Only the Strange remain...
Overall...1st set was smoking ...while second set was way spacey and needed some focus...was this the norm to come...was this just 1st night jitters...was it cause there was No beer tonight?...something was a miss...something was not just exactly prefect...


Cont in DC review....

jimmy gets sicknasty....no doubt. and phil is definitly "the band"

>>>>>>Mickey would stop all together many times to allow Billy the drumming to himself for more jazzy, smooth transitions.

>>>I've seen Mickey play many times and I think the reason he stops is that he loses the beat and has to regroup.

One of the very negative aspects from the Alpine shows refers to the drummers. Either Bill or Mickey was out of synch or they were playing like amateur drummers in the aural background. Just compare John Molo from the very same day (08-03) to Bill and Mickey. Maybe the creative break was a bit too long to still be the "Rhythm Devils" they used to be.

BTW: It seems like, some people have never listened to a 3 part Viola. Didn't you trust in Phil during the last years? TOO gets praise for sth. that Phil does excessively for several years now.

marc

>>>The modern era Allmans would have a hard time being in the same venue with this version of GD.
much less the same stage.

with all due respect, this is the stupidest comment on music i've read in quite a while.

Great stuff people. Just thought I;d have T o mencheon . <Was I the only one who heard The Aoxomoxoa Keyboard Lick on China Cat? That little three part doo dooo do I Thought was such A great Touch Thanks jeff er Rob .. whew It's been some Time now.. hard to remember past MCI (that was it for me , Maybe Pitt's .. it was Soo fun The Help slip was Awesome! but oh !, I got jUSt into the portal for the first notes of St stephen That Was Fun !like ole times A Idahoe show comes to mind ,. SO be it a "Warm er upper" Still had it's own special energy. Absolutely Loved The Viola lee! Man I coulda used fron row for That one! love the high back-ups! And now I see They've freakin Done Mason's!!!!! EEE FUKING GAAAADS!!!!! Crap i was doin the worship bow for born crosseyed @ mci front row.. jeez I can't Imagine seein them doin masons< ??? I think I mighta had An EMbeliZM! ( HINT FOr PiTT's if yer out there Tricksters! I've tried to play That song w/ a band(not easy) and Love It and All this Anthemfest yeah! lets hear that's it for The other one in it's entirety. The Caution Was partial but "Went on Down one ole day"! Man So many good comments ! It was good no Grate to be There Again Exsqueeeeeze Me Did I Omit AlLigator ? O H YOu guy's make it hard TO not Jump on the bus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mercy! Love Chris

hehe I know it's very late for this but I was just skimming around the forums trying to keep some of this pre NYE energy under grips ... I took a greyhound from Chicago for this show , turned around at 9am the next morning and took one right home . just so I could see the tour opener . I also did from cleveland back to Chicago but thats small potatoes .
thats 20+ hours on a bus one way to see these cats . I wasnt in the least bit dissapointed and I'd do it again , shit , I'm flying to oakland on the 31st and leaving the 1st .
the boys were pretty much locked into the vibe of the crowd for the whole night . miscues and flubs and all it was perfect. at least perfect for me . right down to the Wheel on Conan the night before i got on the bus all the way to the "such a long long time to be gone , and a short time to be there . " yeah this opener was pretty sick , the tapes prove it right , something happened there that only happens once in a great while . good thing it happened alot this past fall : ) love you Phreaks and see ya at the Colliseum for the GSET!