ok- can we bank on dark star tonight??

def. Dark Star, too bad full moon in on Wed. night. how about a Lovelight with Susan as well, she looked and felt out of place last night, got to give her some time to learn the deal. Watching the clock, only an hour before I head in to shakedown st. feel the love.

Dark Star is coming tonight, sandwiched between a huge Playin'! For the First set I feel a Help>Slip>Franklin's maybe to open the show, maybe to close the set. I would love to hear Bobby win his battle from last night and get Blackbird. The Kind is on my mind ! PEACE

Happy funky disco Dead last night, dark dense meaty Dead tonight. No Beatles covers yet so I like the Tomorrow Never Knows opener followed by heavy blues number for Susan to show off maybe Spoonful or Smokestack. Second set Dark Star>Unbroken Chain>Dark Star. Encore Attics! Then again, I could be wrong. Enjoy all.

Anyone have a cellie in the Fleetcenter right now? I'm stuck in class and DYING to know what they're playing. If anyone is setlisting as they go and posting it, you will have my eternal gratitude.

Has anyone been Mp3'ing the shows for public download?

I would be willing to host a mega-ftp of the Fall O1 shows if someone will put up the MP3's

"I would be willing to host a mega-ftp of the Fall O1 shows if someone will put up the MP3's"

Check Further Net, I got 10/27/02 as well as set I from Roenoke with hope that more will follow.

Reviews are great but shows are priceless!

first set??

I: Jam > Uncle John's Band, Minglewood Blues, Doin That Rag, West L.A. Fadeaway, Jam > China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider

-from www.otherones.net

Wow, I hate to say it but that is a '95ish set list - short with a few bones to ease the masses. Are the boys tired already? Perhaps they are just setting up set II...

<<<Wow, I hate to say it but that is a '95ish set list ...

kahnja - No way! Most of those songs are 2nd set songs from a mid eighties to 95 show with a few noted exceptions. Can you believe they played Doin that Rag? They are really shaking things up.

Just kidding. I was playing the role of a TOO Tour Defender or what we would have said during the 90's.

I have to agree with you. I think were have been spoiled by the Phil & Friends for awhile now. I hope we are not seeing a move to the familiar comfort zone that that we all know to well...

But as the saying goes you can't always judge a show by the set list.

I think they are just getting a feel for it. They looked a lil bit stiff at Albany. Time will move things along.

That being said I can't wait to hear what the 2nd Set brings...anyone?

Matty

That does seem short. What up with only 6 songs? Maybe the jams were REEEEEAL long?

Let's get the second set up in this piece!

The show at albany was a quality show. They have many songs and it is nice to hear a huge variety. Yeah Jerry is not there but Jimmy is kick ass and Phil and Bobby sound really tight too. They are just mixing it up man, right on. Seems that the first sets have been a little more reserved but they have busted out in the 2nd. See ya' at the spectrum.

garv

I saw doin that rag like... a thousand times in 95.

David C. -

Very funny and very true - been on both sides of your comments many times. I hope for nothing more than the second coming but as a devoted fan have learned to expect one thing and hope for another. Won't stop me, though, from seeing 6 shows across the country starting tomorrow night.

Bound to cover just a little more ground!

After a bunch of shows of pulling stuff out of everywhere, I guess you have to expect that one or two shows would seem routine, at least the first set.

I saw them in Albany, and thought they looked and sounded fine. More energy from the stage than I've seen in many years. And with Phil's experience at fronting a band, he now can take a more prominent role in helping direct things. They aren't the Dead, but they are as close as we are likely to get.

The way they've been mixing in different songs and revisiting old stuff says to me how much Jerry held them back in his later years. I loved listening to him and seeing him, but he clearly was being carried by the rest of the band toward the end.

What makes TOO different from their side bands is that there is balance for each of them. In P&F or Ratdog (or even JGB) there is no one of equal stature to tell them it was time to end a jam or continue one or whatever. It is all run by one guy. With the Dead/TOO, they balance each other, so you get a better blend. While I prefer the jamming style of P&F to Ratdog, even Phil can go on too long sometimes. Having Bobby and the drummers around to keep him honest (and the same for Bobby) creates a dynamic that none has on his own. My $.02

Dan

I've been reading the comments that have been made about this tour and song selection. I think that deadheads have a tendency to be hypercritical. I think we all need to appreiciate what we're being given. Sometimes that gets lost when you have seen phil,ratdog, otherones so many times.

The quality of the song writing is what kept me coming back in the '90's when maybe the jamming wasnt at its peak. Now we've got them playing all these amazing tunes and they are jaming away! what more could u ask for? well only one man i guess...

Long live the GD!!

Doin' that Rag!!!!
'nother China Cat>Rider

sounds hot, are those lucky cats gonna get the dark star tonight?

can't help but be a bit selfish...want it at hartford, though i'm just stoked that the thrill is back regardless.

Good Ol' Grateful Dead - Long live TOO!!. I've seen all the combinations over the years and each has its own uniqueness. I personally loved the 89-91 years the most of my many 15+ yrs of live celebration. Each time I saw another line-up since the pass of Jerry it has always brought great remeberence and rejoycing. Albany was my first and through the horrible ride from hartford, in the late afternoon thru the berkshires, to the horrible lines outside, to the lowsy facilities inside I rejoyced to see TOO like you would not believe. It had its many ups and little less at points. All in All it was as always a great time had by all, hopefully.

I'll miss the next few shows but I'll be there on Friday in Hartford. I hope the 2nd set rips in Boston for my boy Bones from FR.

November 18, 2002
Fleet Center - Boston, MA

Set 1: Jam>
Uncle John's Band>
Minglewood Blues
Doin' That Rag
West LA Fadeaway
Jam> China Cat Sunflower>
I Know You Rider

Thanks to TaperRob for the list
Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart
Bill Kreutzmann, Bob Weir
Rob Barraco, Jeff Chimenti
Jimmy Herring



Set 2: Spacey Jam>
Morning Dew> Jam
St. Stephen> Meltdown>
^Bird Song > Drumz> Space>
The Wheel> Jam> ^Darkstar V1>
Jam> ^Vocal Jam (PL, RB, ST)>
^Tomorrow Never Knows>
^Darkstar V2> ^Lovelight>
(E ^Aiko-Aiko

^with Susan Tedeschi

(borrowed from the Pzone front page...)
that second set looks smoking yet again!

DARK STAR

Looks like they took real good care of that second set. They a way boys!!! And ST! Thanks for the setlist.

Adam you are probably right, were are a Hypercritical bunch. Look at the highly celebrated May 77 run and the number of repeats that occured then. I can only imagine what people would say now about that run now...

looks like the phil show tonight...

Could anyone that was there elaborate on the "Vocal jam" that is mentioned? I'm curious if it's a theme on "Dark Star", or something that morphed out of the chaos.....

....these second sets are dreams.....

"It's The Dreaming That's Real"

Ahhhhh........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice 2nd set....I'm stoked for Hat-ford, yo phil-a-del-phia and MSG......need some of this stuffffff......... it's still the best shit your concert dollar buys....just when you figured it out- ALWAYS surprises.......the DEAD was about comfort and shaking things up...when you thought ya' knew- BANG !!! I'm lovin' people getting critical and then being Zanged into place...........soooooooooo, how WAS the Dew>Stephen and gimme more on the Dark Star !!! people......?????

People ????? Yes!!!!

Just got back. Last night was good. Tonight was spectacular!
1st set

Uncle John's Band
>Minglewood
Doin' That Rag
West LA
China Cat
>Rider

2nd set

Morning Dew
>Jam
St Stephen (phenomenal!!)
>Birdsong (Phil ran through the whole tune once then resang the 1st part as
"All I know is something like a bird
within him sang
All I know is, he sang a little while
and then flew on"
the place went nuts)
Drums
>Space
>Wheel
>Dark Star (1st verse)
>Tomorrow Never Knows
Dark Star (2nd verse)
>Lovelight
Iko

no encore. They ended right at 11, and someone on Jimmy's side of the stage was waving around a big digital clock, so I have to assume Boston has a curfew. The crowd weren't happy. The 1st verse Dark Star was really weak IMHO, but they picked right back up w/Tomorrow Never Knows and finished really strong. Susan finally cut loose on Lovelight, trading verses w/Bobby. The vocal jam was just that, no words just notes, mostly Phil and Susan. It was pretty spacey and worked really well going from Dark Star into Tomorrow Never Knows.

I wish I was going to more shows :-(

the show was excellent. in response to the above question, the vocal jam sounded like a phish vocal jam, but not at all silly, just a meditative vibration, deep in tone; it was a short part of a beautiful & spacey segment.

I'm hoping Bucky made this, cause it sure sounds like it was made to order. ;-) Well except for the West LA, AM Dew, Birdsong, Wheel etc...

>I saw doin that rag like... a thousand times in 95.

LMFAO! Don't we wish? I'd have just liked to see Jerry play it once. :-(

Here's hoping the NE Posse had a great time tonight, I miss you guys...

the dew built climatically, jimmy really did good work on that piece and the st. stephen had the place dancing & shakin with a bit of that ultrarhythmic 69-70 vibe that turned up so well in the jams tonight. teh drummers & phil are keeping the other ones' music very solid sounding, though technically delicate, you can hear the individual drummers better than in a long time. the keyboards and guitars cascade over the rhythm more than they do lead them. lovelight was a great dance for everybody in the show tonight too. great bluesy voice, susan.

I hate to burst anyones's bubble during tour and allbut i cant believe no one cought this

"I would be willing to host a mega-ftp of the Fall O1 shows if someone will put up the MP3's"

you DO mean *.shn format right? Keep mp3 off of CD! In all seriousness, there are much better formats

>>>>It was rather shocking to me that several people talked about how Bucky would have hated this show (11-16) - Huck

Maybe because there's actually some gauging the different level of play in a show by reading my take, as opposed to the "everything is always great" reviews........

What barometer is there in those?

Of course, I do have my favorite tunes.......


>>>>>I'm hoping Bucky made this, cause it sure sounds like it was made to order. ;-) Well except for the West LA, AM Dew, Birdsong, Wheel etc...

You apparently don't have a clue about what I like.

"Bucky would've loved this show"

And, I did.

I seem to have a great deal of 'blessing' on last minute, go by myself shows:
11-14-99
4-23-00
11-19-02

It's late, I'm too tired to do a proper review, but let me say this:

This show was 'THE SH*T'.

As perfect & good as the best of the best P&F shows I've seen.
Much different, of course, but honestly, refreshingly so. Those of you who saw P&F in Spring 2000 know how capable Jimmy Herring is as lead man........

Put that in your pipes & smoke it.

When I roll out of bed tomorrow, I'll go into details.

BTW, Official Setlist is incorrect. There was no UJB vocal reprise before TNK - It was a spacey, trippy vocal lead in to TNK itself. Very cool.

BTW II, please forgive me if I offended the several of you I cut & pasted from. My intention is not to start a flame war, but to point out the often incorrect 'pre' & misconceptions about me. OK?
You don't know the REAL Me, yet I often get judged for expressing my opinions. Yet, do I ever revile those who revile me? No.
Like the guy the other day who called me a 'fuckingasshole' for not liking Stella.

I suggest if you would say that about somebody just because of their dislike for a song, you need to take a good look in the mirror, my friend.

Peace, Bucky

that second set looks like the MELTDOWN I've been waiting for. I sure hope it sounds as good as it looks. with the flying meteors early in the morning, darkstar was likely to lead the way this evening. wish I was there ! hope all had happy,
melty experiences. save some for the palace, indy, chicago run, please. make MORE MELT at the palace of diamonds, will be ready : )

GREAT SHOW.

My 3rd in a row, and each night was VERY different from the others. 11/19 1st set was well played, but seemed brief(China-Rider was huge)The 2nd set really cooked, however. Things got real out there for a while. TNK in the Dark Star sandwich made for a great combo post drums, and if that weren't enough- the Lovelight-Aiko just blew the roof off the place. Normally I say "Curfews Suck", but this changed my thinking a little-Rather than leave the stage, and return to try and get something going for what would have been a VERY BRIEF encore(like 11/18) they kept the energy of Lovelight going into Aiko and just really ended the show well given the time left. If there wern't a curfew, I am sure that transition would not have occured like that. Not everyone felt that way, though(alot of booing when the houselights came on)

No show for me tonight, but see ya'll in Hartford!

Bucky, you don't know me very well either if you don't know how lil'Huck enjoys being cut every once in a while.
I'm so glad you loved it. I know - those loveitloveitloveit reviews get old, huh? I know...I write them. Tends to be I just don't write about what I don't like (i.e. explain to me why there are TWO keyboardists?)...or at least I'll wait until the run is done. But that's me, ya know...and when I'm at a show I'm one of the happiest chipmunks in the forest. Hard to bitch...
and really, as I said before, the only reason I tweaked ya a tad in my Albany review is bc I want the Mighty Bucky to be all about the joy....not the grouse. Seems like we might be about to catch a Bucky Afterglow....and I'm just tickled pink.

"Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream,
It is not dying, it is not dying....
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining....
That you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being....
Love is all and love is everyone
It is knowing, it is knowing....
And ignorance and hate mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing....
But listen to the colour of your dreams
It is not leaving, it is not leaving....
So play the game "Existence" to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning...."

(btw, what in heavens name could still be in Santa's sack for TONIGHT?????)

Repeat....Repeat...Repeat!! All the boyz are back together and obviously comfortable with their 6 song first sets and "reprised" second sets. We are now 5 shows into the tour and look at all the repeats and reprises, what about the other 100 songs they could be doin'? I constantly find myself making excuses for these guys, but frankly, I am at the end of the line.

JK -
around 70 songs and ONLY 6 repeats????
(stephen, wheel, aiko, chinarider, caution)

settle, my friend...or at least don't speak for all of us...YET. If they are going to double up, starting at those 6 is FINE. imho.

JKsurf,

I just saw 3 in a row and the only song repeated was Uncle Johns, which I'll take any day. Sounds like this may be a case of over-analyzed set-lists and not enough attention payed to the music behind them.

oh yeah. whoops! seven - UJB - gotta get more coffee before I start reading charts. egads.

On another note-Mick didn't sing last night!

now thats a setlist

Did Mickey only agree to tour if he sang a crappy song every night?

As for the short encores here is a solution, start the show earlier (not happening) or, here goes.......... LESS HUNTER!!!

I agree on less hunter....give him 25 minutes
not the 50 or so hes been playing!

last night's first set-60 minutes!
no major review by me but ill just say i have enjoyed the last two nihgts very much!

Tonight is a given Throwin'>NFA. Take a look through the history of NJ shows, and that combo pops up nearly everytime. I would also say that Bucket is up in the mix as well for tonight.

Fritz, I will give you a call later.

Hunter was like a bit too much of an unrehearsed folkie, his strumming muddies his vocal emphasis much of the time, but I did appreciate the low lights and light music during setbreak. At times I really did appreciate his stylings of the songs too...they're such beautiful lyrics

Hunter's Easy Wind...Mr. Charlie...Mission in the Rain...that was good!

here is how I saw and heard things
UJB--it seemed a little more dead like than the PLQ style or other ones of the past. No calypso beat. great starter not a rocker but good.
Minglewood was minglewood there was some good play
by jeff and rob.
Rag- Rag was Rag
West LA had some nice jamming
China Rider - this was a really really good one great singing and jamming especially the jam into rider and the ending.

Jam>Dew- this was great and really well sung
Stephen- this was a GREAT version got the place rockin.
Birdsong- This was really good Phil was really singing his heart out.
D/S brief but great.
Wheel-good solid version.
DS>TNK>DS- This was just fabulous i thought especially the the TNK with SUsan T.
Lovelite >Aiko- this was a great wasy to close it and i thought it was way better they didn't stop and do it as an encore. Susan was really getting bob into lovelite he looked like he was digging it.

I'd say jimmy herring is really unbelievable. the band played well and looked like they were having a great time. Susan T. should be out there for every song. they really seem to get off when she's out there. she grooves and has a beatiful voice and isn't bad to look at.

I have to admit, I like Bucket and I bet Jimmy can rip that shit up.

Roots,

Agreed Hunter was great last night. All you folks that haven't "acquired the taste" yet for Mr. Hunter should at least appreciate who you are seeing.Very tasteful to put him on between sets, yes it adds a little time to the show, and could be trimmed to better work aound the curfew(I think 30 minutes is about right) but he is 50% of the Lennon/Mccartney of the Dead world so its great to see the Bard at work.

On a side note: I am quite discouraged by the talking and yelling during his set. At least show the guy some respect(and those around you who MAY want to listen), even if you don't like it!

Jksurf...you are correct sir. Copious amounts of Throwin Stones>NFAs in Jersey. Every year at Giant's it seemed like, must check Deadbase. Let's hope for variety's sake they shake things up a bit.

Sheesh...no kudos from anybody about the Tomorrow Never Knows call? I know I called it as the opener but inside the Dark Star song-which is pretty good too. (Had the Dark Star like just about everybody else).

Think the Swamp is getting the cowboy set. Hoping for Stagger Lee and Dupree.

Enjoy all.

>>>>This show was 'THE SH*T'.


Bucky is that you???????LOL!!!!!
I said to Key monday in Boston that you'd dig
what these boys are doing...
Glad you did...

I agree with the cowboy set for tonight. Maggies?

I think they are saving the UBChain for the Sunday Spectrum show. That is where the Dead introduced it, so perhaps a case of past-practice?

who sang doing that rag? one of my favorite garcia tunes

Jonas-Rob sang it

Very well.

Some Dylan covers are definitely due. Only Like A Rolling Stone and Watchtower so far. Would definitely enjoy a Maggies 'pass the mike' with everybody taking a verse. Bobby is probably itchin to play Masterpiece or Queen Jane...so I say let him. Better than Easy Answers and Eternity. Peace all. Have fun in NJ and watch out for Yellowjackets.

>>>>>This show was 'THE SH*T'.


Bucky is that you???????LOL!!!!!
I said to Key monday in Boston that you'd dig
what these boys are doing...
Glad you did...


The "Luck o' Da Buck", Carlin..."Luck o' Da Buck"..


Glad ya made it back to Joisey ok...although that was a given after Lunch on Monday...
LOL

If Buck puts his stamp on it, ya know its gotta be good!!!

It IS funny how this whole mythology has sprung up around Bucky. He can make a living just posting in the following format:

By Bucky
>>> Bucky said THIS (some unpardonable sin).
No, Bucky didn't mean that. He has his favorite tunes though. JAMMY JAMS!!

[List of Dates (usually late 70's-80's, or '00-01)]

Thankfully he doesn't use the third person. And it all has to do with firm beliefs and strong writing.

I worry when he says, "as good as the best P&F's." I think he'll back off a little this morning. When you're all pumped up after a show, you tend to overpraise (rare for him, I know). And he says "refreshingly different." That's a key. Just how I felt after 12/3...AS GOOD AS P&F????

Still: MD, St.S, BS, DS, TNK, Lovelight and Aiko all in the same set?

DAMN

Going tonight, still think they can be better. How 'bout a super-hot PIB...(sigh)

Boston was blessed. BUT WHAT ABOUT N.Y.?

The Jam at the end of Morning Dew was absolutely amazing, which I think really got the 2nd set blazing, especially with St Stephen to follow. Susan looked uncomfortable up there, UNTIL she was unleashed on Lovelight. I agree about the no encore, why have them leave for 5 minutes to try and build it back up again?? Just let em keep playing with no breaks.

DEW

Folks,

Setlists don't always tell the story.

The setlist for first set may have looked lame but the playing was fine. Lots of jams and an excellent China->Rider. 60 minutes was about the right amount of time for this set.

The 2nd set was a killer with heavy jams and a big time party atmosphere for the Lovelight->Iko. The playing reminds me of "Live Dead" era, very driving and lots of interplay but not a lot of dynamic range. There are very few quiet moments in these shows. Not a bad thing, just a thing.

Let Susan sing more! Over the course of the tour, I bet she will. She drove Lovelight.

I hope they DON'T do the Dylan thing...I was really tired of that by the 90's. Except watchtower, which was my favorite "back from the coma" cover--"HE LIVES!". Heard it too much, but it was fun.

Hey but they'll play what they play--hope its all good.

>>>>Bucky, you don't know me very well either if you don't know how lil'Huck enjoys being cut every once in a while.

Yeah, we NEED to meet either in Hartford or MSG. I think you're going to both, correct?

I know I can seem like a jerk here (from other's viewpoints, lol), but, I have met some great folks through here & seems like we enjoyed each other's company - I know I did. Warm, living flesh adds a diiferent perspective to (sometimes) cold hard words.

I mean, how big of a jerk could I be if Philzoners came from as far away as 3 hours to help build a fence for my autistic son?

BTW, on my negativity, yeah, God's been working on me in that area.

Review to follow.............