11-24-01 Boston, MA

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cory J Laird (Lairdscamp420) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 10:45 am: Edit Post

Dont tell me this town aint got no Heart....
Oh yeah, phils commin..
Were gonna tear this old building down....
Whitey, Bish, Defo, Burkey, Mcmittin, Stork, Austin, Big Tom, Woodyee..
See ya at the Beanie...5pm wed, Fri, Sat.
We'll git afta it...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 12:21 pm: Edit Post

Bulger is a Phil fan??????


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cory J Laird (Lairdscamp420) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 01:00 pm: Edit Post

>Bulger is a Phil phan..

Cryptical, laughing at that one but Yes, why wouldnt he be?
FBI's most wanted need to git thier PHIL PHIX too.

(White Tooth Yahtzee is a Phriend/Phan)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 02:53 pm: Edit Post

I bet the Winter Hill Gang really drives the Shalom bus and sells patchwork clothing in the lots.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron (Mrfantasy) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 03:30 pm: Edit Post

What about Steven "The Rifleman" Flemmi(sp?)? I heard him and Whitey mail order from their log cabin in Ontario every tour. They have to use those Swiss funds they have stashed away though so the Feds don't catch up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) on Monday, November 19, 2001 - 04:10 pm: Edit Post

Where's everyone drinking and raging before the show on Friday?

Someone throw a bender!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike M (Philphan1) on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 10:55 am: Edit Post

Ill be there, right after the two shows before it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat (Soulshine) on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 11:48 pm: Edit Post

Hey all, looking for 1 extra for Sat. night!!! I live in the Boston area will pay $$$$

Peace


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeremy Baldwin (Echt99) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:48 am: Edit Post

Boston's WZLX, 100.7 will air a brief solo acoustic performance by Warren Haynes on Friday afternoon around 12:30. Warren will perform "Beautifully Broken" and "Taste Like Wine," then speak with host Carter Alan. In addition, the station will air one of the three Phil and Friends Orpheum shows in its entirety at 9PM on December 2 (the show to be aired is yet to be determined).

Can somebody tape either of these....?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Adler (Bhtoque) on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:55 pm: Edit Post

I'll definately tape Warren on ZLX


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clancy Whigham (Tweeker) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 11:35 am: Edit Post

Does anyone have any extras????
Note: Carter Allen is my least favorite DJ ever, same frigain songs everyday...so dam lame


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim (Jamminman) on Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:34 pm: Edit Post

On the watch for extra tickets.
Phil's saving Shakedown for Saturday night and that bass is gonna rip the Orpheum down. How's the security? I was there a few weeks ago seeing WSP and the place was mobbed!
Bring some water - the place is steaming.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By bill strick (Exstwrdguy) on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 03:23 pm: Edit Post

It's all about opinions people and everyone's is different--hey crypt would you tell me to lick your nuts if i didn't like chocolate and you did? all of you, stop taking people's opinions so seriously and enjoy the insight that everyone brings out of a show. contrary to many of your beliefs they aren't all top-of-the line shows just as all the dead's shows, or other artists for that matter weren't. god knows, life isn't like that--peaks and valleys. although if i thought all the shows were "the best i ever saw" i'd be in a much better place huh?
too much intensity and anger for me with regard to people disagreeing with others about how good/bad the show was. glad that vibe isn't in the venue during the show. more people should be like obie, lessthan and gratefulspirit. just write what you experienced you needn't criticize all the others for somewhat non-enthusiastic reviews. just like some football games aren't so good, or some people don't like chocolate, the same holds true for concerts as well. have fun tonight--i'm sure i'll hear back from you cryp. actually looking forward to it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 04:38 pm: Edit Post

Bill, you have got to calm down. The most amusing part of Crypt's show review was that it was devoid of any substance-he loved it. What part of that is so difficult to decipher? As for my lines, so freaking what....been to many many Phil shows and I didn't care for 2 of them? That in itself is just short of miraculous. If you are going tonight, find me. We can have a little conversation as I buy you a beer....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 12:41 am: Edit Post

Less Than, if last night was all about the jammy jam, tonight was Marmelaide. Every last jam took me somewhere I didn't realize I had needed to go.

Missed opening jam, but it was sort of bluesy spacey warm up stuff into Smokestack. How good is that, right? Spewed into a wild wild jam that culminated in Jimmy playing at least 64 bars of the intro to Cumberland at lightning speed. Cumberland into a jam grooving its way to the Deep End. I heard this at a Mule show in New York a few weeks ago, and at the soundcheck at Oakdale. Great tune, and really well done tonight. Lets see, out of that into another jam...see where I am going here? Friend of the Devil. Nice stuff, sort of slower than they have been doing it (check Eugene 7.3), but nice. Then this killer jam between the 2nd and 3rd verse....then they jammed into Broken Arrow. Yummy tune, hey which jammed its way into what might the only "tease" but not really, Sunshine Daydream. Jimmy doing the rhythm here then back into a slippery little thing that came way down, and gonzo, Casey Jones to close the set. The version as good as it gets.

Second set opens with Alligator...yeehaH!!!Sorry Tom. Pretty cleanly done into a jam that was taken all the way down again, sorta spacey then back up again into Midnight Train. If you haven't really adopted this tune yet, you have to hear the end of this version. This was some serious shit, major Phil bombs, amazing solos by all...into a monster bass intro to Get Back. Memories of Beacon last October. Monster sick Jimmy solo then back into an equally sick jam...segueing into Doin That Rag. Incredible version, they just make it tighter and tighter, with another sick jam before the last verse. Only stop of the set. Birdsong, but in three parts. The first verse and jam-out I got alittle lost, back into the second verse into what I can only call a Birdsong jam. It never lost that lilt- than an almost stop into Birdsong space complete with the stars and clouds up on the screen than an almost stop again, the third verse-where Phil changed all the "she's" to "he's". My first reaction was Jerry, someone elses Kesey...okay so lets launch headfirst after a 1/2 second stop into Golden Road...is it ever not great? Okay, so lets extend the show. Viola...first jam-out into a drum solo back into verse 2...etc. Each jam in Viola is completely different, each one will take you to completely different places...and they closed with a pretty awesome Midnight Hour.

I will get heat about this, but I do take shows off the list...without a doubt, a personal favorite, and we haven't gotten to New York yet. Boston, as good as this was, the Beacon starts Monday. Seven more shows...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bucky (Bucky) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 01:51 am: Edit Post

>>> and at the soundcheck at Oakdale.

Dewit, I didn't realize you were connected.....

Bill, chill.
Go read my response on Boston 11-23.

This ain't 1967 & the Summer of Love anymore.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By francomc (Unclesam) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 01:59 am: Edit Post

Who has a copy of tonights show for me? Those jams were fantastic


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By backonthebus (Backonthebus) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 10:14 am: Edit Post

Damn if that show don't look like a winner.....what's this "Banks of the Deep End"? Not familiar with it.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By francomc (Unclesam) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 10:41 am: Edit Post

hey bus.. On the banks.... is a new Warren song. You can find it on The Deep End Volume I that just came out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sunwave (Sunwave) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 10:50 am: Edit Post

Have to agree w/ Dewit on the review. Not much to add, but I will say I heard many 'songs' that didn't actually solidify, and I love the suprises. Agree w the Jerry reference in Bird Song, though I was seeing him all over the screen during FOTD; they had a down right beautiful red white and blue skull up there . . .

2nd set I climbed up to a box seat with some buds . . . Phil's base bombs did wonders when you have nothing but air above, below and too the side, my whole body is still experiencing after shocks!

All in all the boys did not dissapoint, but whose got my Beacons?!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 12:43 pm: Edit Post

Simply amazing show. Glad I stayed. Thanks for talking me into that one, cryp.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By melissa (Melissaphish) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 12:47 pm: Edit Post

really quality show last night, but i thought it was the weakest of the 3 boston shows


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By melissa (Melissaphish) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 01:39 pm: Edit Post

noticed also security was back to normal, not crazy like getting into the mule last month. quick pat, not too hard to smoke, and they let everyone in after the set break last night....not even checking tix of those who went out to smoke.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Denman (Theperfectstorm) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 01:58 pm: Edit Post

The "Midnight Train" they did last night.... who originally wrote that tune. I can't place it in listening to the DATs


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 02:07 pm: Edit Post

>who originally wrote that tune

music and lyrics by Phil Lesh


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 02:08 pm: Edit Post

©2001


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ^^ (Mongbat) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 02:10 pm: Edit Post

Midnight Train is a new Hunter/Lesh tune.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Torrey (Crazyfinger) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 02:17 pm: Edit Post

outfreakinrageous


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul A (Muadib) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 02:56 pm: Edit Post

>Midnight Train is a new Hunter/Lesh tune.

Hunter is not credited with this tune according to www.thephilzone.com


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ^^ (Mongbat) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 04:03 pm: Edit Post

I stand corrected :>


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:27 pm: Edit Post

Someone out there must have something more substantial than my blither...out with it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 07:44 pm: Edit Post

Someone please tell Dewit thank you for the review, as we are no longer talking because I am so jealous of the Alligator that was heard.

Sounds like my kind of show as well.

ON THE SUBJECT OF JAMMY JAM VS MARMALADE

I think the best way to put it is I don't care if they jam for 40 min as long as it is linear. As long as it takes me somewhere, (preferably somewhere I didn't need to go as well Dewit...oh crap I'm not talking to you...)..as long as it seems to come back to the original theme without the band just saying "ok now back into FOTD on 4"

I think of the show like a car sometimes. A great show is like a 65 Vette. The lines of the car lead your eyes from one feature to the next like the lines of the music. You are always consciously aware of the whole car, no one feature is dominate or over bearing. Very fluid and supple in its grace. But with one hell of a mean motor underneath, a vehicle capable of taking you places in style and class that also fits in the seedy bars by the packing plant. Something that appeals to the average joe and the upper class intellectual. Hell an American Icon.

Hartford was very much this kind of show.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:27 pm: Edit Post

In my opinion so was last night. Must say I am stunned by the woman's comment above, but one man's caviar is another man's pot roast.

As usual, a pleasure to hear from the always prolific LessThan. Here's to the Beacon, which will have your elusive Crocodile, oops, Alligator. Promise. A side note, yeah, this was your kind of show and I can't wait to burn you the first copy.

You and I will have such a time dissecting these jellies-it's like going down the Snake in a rubber raft with no oars, only you just KNOW you're getting there upright.

I just love hearing the description of that car.....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By LessThan (Lessthan) on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:33 pm: Edit Post

Yeah well you do sometimes get your Covairs once in a while. They may still take ya places just not with as much obvious style.

Which leads right into the one man's pudding is another man's ... something,

or into the eternal question of group esthetics and when does a good show become a great show...1 person...10 people...1000 people? In a venue where 90% of the people are experienced enough to make some kind of judgement based on personal data, when does that number reach the magic point of a instant classic? Is the show going to run its course regardless or is it really a circut?
If PLQ stood in for the BSO one night would they put on as good of a show with out the audience's feedback? I am being very inarticualte but I hope my point shines thru

wait a minute [smacks forehead leaving small red welt] I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Torrey (Crazyfinger) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 06:09 am: Edit Post

hey jerry drove a corvair for awhile-


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:32 am: Edit Post

Oh, I think if any of us had to, we all would have driven a Corvair. You have to drive the Corvair to have the appreciation for the Saab. i.e., the Grateful Dead summer '95.

Tonight, the Beacon! Finally, they are back home where they belong. Would you be any less upset about the Alligator if I told you the show really sucked, and that this was a huge put-on?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By gerry (Gmack) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:39 am: Edit Post

checked out the lists...

Looks like he tore Boston up

good for you guys!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 11:24 am: Edit Post

Friday and Saturday were stellar.


Made up for the shit in Boston on Wednesday and the Lewiston mediocrity in a big way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Torrey (Crazyfinger) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:02 pm: Edit Post

See y'all at the Beacon, lookin forward to seeing all you godforsaken yankees fans. GO NOMAHHH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Cryptical (Cryptical) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 02:37 pm: Edit Post

All you Yankees fans are wicked retahded.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dewit (Dewit) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 03:29 pm: Edit Post

Wednesday did not suck, it was a great show. Don't listen to him, he likes Dark Star, and he can't help it, he's a Boston fan, and they are in perpetual bad moods from years of letdown and depression.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By E White (Ellisdee) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 03:52 pm: Edit Post

Hey all- I enjoyed the Oakdale, but Bahhhston was better. Can anyone tell me when I heard that Shakedown tease? I THINK it was Friday, but the whole weekend's a bit hazy....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jason Adler (Bhtoque) on Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:33 pm: Edit Post

If anybody is interested, I put up Warren's radio appearance on WZLX.

http://www.galactic-trading.com/pnf/warren.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frog (Frog) on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 04:46 pm: Edit Post

Hey Jason...... THANKS a lot for the Warren post on the web.... that was a REALLY cool thing to do for us that couldn't pick it up...... Phil dropped a SERIOUS bomb to close the show on saturday the 24th ...... was anyone else watching there meters PEG as Phil was kind enough to let it ring ??!!!! Smiles to All.... :O)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Sideshow Bob (Drkstrjry) on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 10:05 pm: Edit Post

Boston Saturday 11/24/01: Length: 78’/109’ Rating: 9.1 Once more we got to BAAASTAN, PAAAKED the CAAAH, and went to the BAAAAH! Beantown Pub raging as usual with the strange mix of locals and heads. Once more I leave Jill to the socializing and go in early. Once more we suffer through the West Side Story soundtrack. The setup I patched out of the night before went down in the middle of Dark Star due to someone’s laptop problems (every time I see someone trying to use a laptop to tape the show, it always experiences technical difficulties), killing about 25 decks down the line. These poor guys had one person after another come up to them "hey man my tape’s fucked up" "yeah we know . . ." This was my one friend’s only other show besides Oakdale. Just so you don’t think I am jaded from seeing too many shows, he and his friends, all seeing only the Oakdale show, hated that show way more than me. It being Saturday, the last 2 being pretty damn good, and given the tour track record so far (2 good, 1 bad, 2 good, 1 bad, 2 good, 2 bad, 2 good), I was somewhat pessimistic. It seemed we were due a lemon. And it was Saturday, the kiss of death in the old days. The set opened with another high energy jam, hinting at various things, then, suprisingly, moving into Smokestack Lightning. An unusual opener. This version was not the best (my fav being Pittsburgh 4/24/01 out of Caution Jam), but good nonetheless, and was another tour first. Warren does this song justice. After more jamming, a rare-this-tour Cumberland. This was thoroughly explored, with a short spacey part. They paused, then what sounded like the chords to CSNY’s "Ohio" heralded another new song. This was later found out to be a Mule song, "Banks of the Deep End". This was good for a slow Warren song, good lyrics. This transitioned to Friend of the Devil. This was the best version of this song so far on the tour. The middle jam had a Whipping Post tease, and led to another surprise, Broken Arrow. Again, I only expected 1 or 2 versions of this all tour. This led to several layers of jamming, where it appeared Phil was leading them into a song, but it was a shift in the jam tempo. I still expected the ‘Devil reprise when they launched into Casey Jones. Well, it is Saturday. The balcony rocked, even in the balcony bathroom, to which I had retired to ahead of the post-break rush. My one-show friend was amazed at how much better this show was than the Oakdale. The second set started with the rumored soundcheck, Alligator. Hadn’t seen this in awhile. Great choice to launch the rockin’ Saturday 2nd set. This jammed into Midnight Train, again a tour first, and sung by Warren now, with a new lyric part added in the middle. This is one of those songs I really like that few others seem to care about. I was hesitant to admit that Warren sings this one better than Phil. I actually like Phil’s vocals on most songs he sings, with the possible exception of Deal and Alabama Getaway. This went back to jamming, then into Get Back, another rumored soundcheck. The sound and energy was really peaking to the point of hearing damage. When you feel your jaw tickling deep inside your skull, you know your hearing is being fried. This was the best version I can recall. They channeled the Beatles, both the studio and the "rooftop" live versions, while giving it their own stamp. My one-show friend had seen this at his only west coast GD show ever, at his only show last fall (10/15/00), and now tonight. I am always amused when people that attend few shows get the same rare songs every time. All 3 of the first songs seemed to be over quickly and moved back to the same sea of jamming. This pattern repeated, and, after many twists and turns that hinted at Viola Lee, Blues for Allah, the very slight pause heralded Doin That Rag. Another appropriate Saturday selection. The pause after this 4-song, 50’ segment would be the do-or-die turning point in the show. They responded with the first Birdsong of the tour, another twist. This was a superb version. On the first jam, I thought for sure they were way out into the next song, teasing many different things, but ultimately came back to the last verse. This show and last night featured several unfinished songs, rendering the shows that much more unpredictable. The final jam was shorter, but still featured a few twists, before a short transition into Golden Road. I received this with some trepidation, as it could have been the last song of the show, resulting in a 75 to 80’ second set on top of a 78’ first set. I could see Dan in front of the stage and he looked worried too. But but but, to top off a grand 3-night stand they reverted to the fall 2000 song order and ripped into the Viola! YEEAAAHAWWWWAAAA! Balcony up and rockin’ again! Knew it would be a stand-alone version, fine by me, this even had the final build-up crescendo missing at Buffalo and this summer, a fine, full, meaty version. The Midnight Hour encore reminded us it was indeed Saturday, capping off to me the strongest and most consistent show of the Boston run, as the end was SOOOO GOOOOOD! And, like the first 2 nights, it was over 3 hours! Note my set timings do not include the "dead air" between the end and the encore, so some may argue the shows were even longer. I have noticed that the better and longer the show, the shorter the time before the encore. The 2 "worst" shows, Louisville and Maine, were over 6’’ before they returned to the stage.