This will be the night for wharf rat. Have a great show I know I will ill be on the floor

i won two tickets in the Furthur twivia contest....

im curious to see where the seats are located. Would love if they were on the floor (is it GA floor for baltimore?!)

anybody have any insight on what to expect as far as winning a pair of tickets from the band and where it will land me? (i honestly dont care, im just happy to be in building but am curious)

I just snagged a single off TM. Second row center. Finally, Phil has come back to Baltimore.

who's got extra (good) seats for MSG this weekend? About to book a ticket out from oregon, tix available on line are "behind the stage"

Anyone looking for a pair on the floor, about 15 rows back? A friend of mine hurt her back and can't go. Face plus costs is $75 a piece.

Found a taker for the tickets.

yo Julian! Behind the stage at the Garden is a great vantage point! dont knock it till ya try it!!

As always, setlist hints for tonight's show can be found by studying the rotation...

http://bit.ly/d8kICf

thanks for the tip dan, they looked like nosebleeds (I think section 413) to me but hey, as long as the sound is good I will be psyched! 2 nights in NYC with Furthur... man it is going to be fun

Hey 'The Barn', Thanks for the link, fun info! Enjoy the tour!

lots of good photos drop on twitter before, during and after the shows


http://twitter.com
@furthurband

Any Streams tonight?

so looks like they took the stage around 8:00 pm in Reading. Is that earlier then the norm? curfew in Reading perhaps?

I was hoping they would go on around 830ish in Baltimore.

Dan - I think they generally take the stage pretty close to the posted show time. I think 8 at the latest, probably earlier.

This will be my one an only show on this tour, driving up from Raleigh.

We have a good shot a few of these; Viola, Dark Star, Eyes, St Stephen and Shakedown. They have a large repetoire, so who knows.

furthur.net says doors open at 6:00, show starts at 7:30. I bet they start pretty close to 7:30 (missed most of first set in Redmond WA because I assumed they started at 7:30 like the previous night in Eugene... they started at 6:30 that night).. I am still kicking myself on that one.

I start my journey heading to train station "riding that train" into baltimore hoping for a great show

Have one extra for tonight. Sweet seat: Row X, center section, front of floor (Section 2)

section 1 row m is where i'll be with the zoner known as fafa and a couple of others...should be a great show...

Tonight was the closest show to me (Myrtle Beach) I just saw that tickets are still available, but it is a NINE hour drive (with out problems on 95, ya right) doesn't look good. We thought about it, sleep in the conversion van, feel like were 20 again, but wouldn't make the doors till 10pm, too late for the show. Why didn't I think about this yesterday???? Guess I have to wait to see them again next year

anybody know the parking/shakedown situation

Feeling a Death Don't for Baltimore.

Have seen 6 shows this year and all started w/in ~5 minutes of posted show time.

One of the 2 Jeffs will be wearing a Ravens jersey to honor Phil's Edgar Allen Poe reading back in the day...

hav seen every show this tour they have been taking stage earlier and earlier it seems...first few shows were maybe 20 mins past 730..then it was after 8 a couple nights...last night they went on at 7:44...these arenas have strict curfews....anyone at microtel near bwi airport??

more N2O....quoth Phil ....nevermore

have a great show zoners !!

haven't groveled for a stream for a few shows. Miracle me? sailorsaint@hotmail.com

Half Step opener tonight?

Revolution opens 1st set

Smokestack Lightnin

spoonful>smokestack>crazy fingers

BT Wind.

1st Mariner Arena Baltimore, MD
11/17/10
Revolution>
Smokestack n Lightin'>
Spoonful>
Smokestack>
Crazy Fingers
BT Wind
Loser

I was just talking with my girl about Furthur playing 'spoonful' about half hour ago. esp

1st Mariner Arena Baltimore, MD
11/17/10
Set I
Revolution>
Smokestack n Lightin'>
Spoonful>
Smokestack>
Crazy Fingers
BT Wind
Loser
Pride of Cucamonga

1st Mariner Arena Baltimore, MD
11/17/10
Set I
Revolution>
Smokestack n Lightin'>
Spoonful>
Smokestack>
Crazy Fingers
BT Wind
Loser
Pride of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline

nice ! a better 1st set than last night !

1st Mariner Arena Baltimore, MD
11/17/10
Set I
Revolution>
Smokestack n Lightin'>
Spoonful>
Smokestack>
Crazy Fingers
BT Wind
Loser
Pride of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
US Blues

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

sorry Ted, I was eating and not looking up. Thanks for posting too...

SICK SET!!!!!!

My buddy Paul says the place is barely over half full. No upper levels sold either...

That sucks. I hope the Garden doesn't look like that.

I believe this place is the old Baltimore Civic, right? I think Phil did that crazy Raven space back here in 1982.

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set II
Foolish Heart
Damn missed this by two nights

Great lookin set!

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set II
Foolish Heart>
Cosmic Charlie

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy

Finally a GD set 1 closer... I AM FUCKING JEALOUS OF THAT FOOLISH HEART. that was the song i wanted so much in my first two shows that I refused to tell anyone in fear of jinxing it...more shows for me next tour to be sure...too bad no victim followed the foolish..dont forget about that nice combo Jill!!!
-Doc

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy >
Hey Jude >
Eyes Of the World

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy >
Hey Jude
Eyes of the World
Black Peter

Sweet!! The full Hey Jude or just the Coda?

Black Peter bringdown in the ballad slot I know bobby is taking it every other night but - Bobby, will you please just let John sing the jerry ballad at this stage of the second set? The simple fact is that he does them better than anyone in the world, including you. There are plenty of ways for you to pay tribute to JG on a nightly basis without you singing those songs. sing your own songs my man - you have plenty of them and we love them.
-Doc

"Sweet!! The full Hey Jude or just the Coda?"
No thanks...please don't ever play that again.

I rather listen to Doc sing Bobby singing Jerry tunes.

yo Doc, dont tell Bobby what he should and should not sing. He knew Jerry for 30 years. There is more than just a nice voice going on here.I would much rather hear Bobby praise his brother than JK. IMHO. Please do not take offense, but there is alot more to it than meets the eye--or ear. Bobby actually does a nice job on Black Peter. Remember, BW and JG played together for a long time and Bob want to pay a tribute to his brother in a heart felt ballad. Thats important to him and to the music as it survives after Jerry. Peace bro...

Well put Avalon

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy >
Hey Jude
Eyes of the World
Black Peter >
I Know You Rider
Around & Around

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy >
Hey Jude
Eyes of the World
Black Peter >
I Know You Rider
Around & Around

Donor Rap

yo custie, what ia that hmond 1985? I saw your fav show as 11/2/85. Sick sbds in circulation of 11/1/85 with "she belongs to me" and "sailor>saint" Rock on everyone...plenty of good times to come. I Turned 40 on Monday and I cant believe I am still doing all this tour stuff...honestly. But its so fun!!I have a good job, an 8 yr old and a wife, but when tour rolls around I love it. I have a three day rn comming up with Worcester, and MSG. Awesome...scarlet>new potatoe>franklins>good lovin..>

Furthur
1st Mariner Arena
Baltimore, MD
Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Set 1

Revolution
Smokestack Lightning >
Spoonful >
Smokestack Lightning >
Crazy Fingers >
Black Throated Wind
Loser
Pride Of Cucamonga
Money for Gasoline
U.S. Blues

Set 2

Foolish Heart >
Cosmic Charlie
Looks Like Rain
Hard To Handle
Dear Mr. Fantasy >
Hey Jude
Eyes of the World
Black Peter >
I Know You Rider
Around & Around

Donor Rap
E: Touch of Grey

nice show !many thanks for the updates zoners ! have a great night !!

baltimore was an emotional show!!never cried so many tears in one concert before!! bobby & phil were spectacular!! every show different in a zillion ways!! true artists painting emotional tales of life & death thru music! my heart exploded tonite with love!! c ya in woostah!! amore

The set list looks fantastic! Wish I could of been there! The Beatles, Chuck Berry, Steve Winwood & The Dead, yeah! B.T. Wind!!!

Just a little bit for now. Just got home after Reading and Baltimore. Me and the wife! Fun times and some much needed inspiration as life is a little tough right now.
Both shows were tight. Lots of improvisation and great jamming happening in all 4 sets. The set lists say very little, these last two nights had very little throw away time. No songs just mailed in. For example seeing Greatest Story in a first set list isn't going to make too many minds bend, but last night the band jammed that song fanfuckingtastic!! A first set highight; who would of thunk it!
Hightlights from tonight: The jam between/throughout/during Mr. Fantasy & Hey Jude. John singing the Mr. Fantasy refrain while the rest of the band and the audience are heavy into the Hey Jude chorus. Also THE RIDER!!!!! That song moved my wife right out to the aisle so she could dance as BIG as this RIDER was. Can't remeber the last time Bobby really had me ALL the way in the palm of his hand, he did on this night during Looks like Rain. A ton of other highlights certainly ran throught the second set and the first set was quit good also. I'd have to say tonight was a little better for me, but that is really a moot point, both nights were great. Chementi was so hot during the second set tonight! It reminded me of when Brent used to take over shows sometimes.
I've seen multiple shows from early 2010, then the two Philly shows this summer and now two this November. It has been great fun to watch this Band progress. John and Bobby look at ease with each other now. John seems WAY more relaxed to me now than he did in Feb.2010.
To me this Band is now playing at the level that the Q used to bring, and dare I say the Grateful Dead. The Greatful Dead on their best nights certainly is still tops in my book and nothing comes close, but this current music is quite awesome in its own right.

Wow, 8 of of my least favorite songs in one show. Hope they don't do that for NYE.

>>Wow, 8 of of my least favorite songs in one show. Hope they don't do that for NYE.

Which 8?

I really was hoping thinking they would hold the revolution for MSG for a nod to John Lennons 70 th Birthday

I couldn't list 8 songs I dont want to here,it's all good. Only song i really don't want is lazy river road. And please leave push comes to shove where it is! I would love to here them rip out a day job

ok folks imo reading was better but notby much great show lots of fun great place nice people secdurity was cool...went to the aquarium before the show...just one hell of a good time....met john and jeff afterwards,,,,will post pics when i get home....black peter was my fave even though bob sang it.... just a really good time had by all...another fine example of why people shoulodnt look at stats or set lists.....not what i drew up on the blackboard for my wish list ...but who cares...they were loose...the crowd was into it and it just worked for everybody....i loved it...entire upperdeck was 100% empty...my guess is about 7-8000 were there..imo the worst part other than touich of grey was that it had to end...pride of cucomonga was the bomb.....st stephen with rose in and out of msg he goes... see you all there

Just got up after driving home after the show. First show since the Mann shows this summer. This was a lot of fun. Not my favorite setlist by a long shot. Some of my least favorite songs bunched together. Hey, we all have them. But songs that are not my favs: Foolish Heart, Pete, Touch, Loser and just not a fan of Phil singing Eyes. Highlights were BTW, HtH, and US Blues to end the set was really nice. What I found interesting was it seemed they were just playing songs. It was more a "poppy" show than a spacey jammy show. Not necessarily a bad thing, but not my preference. It might have been the least spacey/jammy "Dead" show I have ever seen. I think Worcester is in for a spacey night. Dark Star, Stephen, Viola. But I would not mind if they saved a couple of those for MSG as I will be there and not in Worcester.

Sound was really clear for the instruments, but vocals were not mixed right, no up front enough. And Phil was not loud enough in the mix.

And what is the deal with people talking/ shouting non-stop. I had a great seat in 106, right off stage right. But through almost the entire first set there were 3 "conversations" going on non stop on all sides of me. Ended up back about 4 sections on the right side in the first row. And finally could enjoy the show. Sound was a bit better furthur back too. Place was not even half full.

They were "On" from the first note. 1st set was fantastic, especially through Black-Throated, which was the highlight of the show for me. They went 50 minutes before stopping (after Loser).

Second set had some of that "let's dump the stuff we still have to play this tour on this smallish crowd" feel to it. (I had been predicting this, since there was very little, if any letdown on the setlists until now.) But, there were a few chestnuts in there, and everything was extremely well done.

We were amazed by the strenght of Bob's voice last night. He hasn't sang this well in 15 years. B-TW was truly incredible, both vocally and instrumentally. There probably isn't anything they can't do due to vocal problems right now. I'd love to see them try Memphis Blues Again this tour.

Chimenti was given too much room last night, imo; I think every second set song had a too-long solo by him. He's good and all, but this ain't a piano band. Ultimately that's a minor complaint, but he shouldn't be taking up that much space. Screw democracy.

Summary: great first set, very good second set despite some of the song selected. Anyone going the next 3 shows should be getting very psyched. Glad I'm going to NY!

Oh man I was hoping they would save either Crazy Fingers, Loser, or Foolish Heart for MSG.

Nice to see two Beatles songs right after Apple makes their announcement and a political one to open since they were in the Beltway.

"But songs that are not my favs: Foolish Heart, Pete, Touch, Loser and just not a fan of Phil singing Eyes" --from above'
It is amazing to me how different peoples opinions can be... I thought everyonge LOVED Black Peter and Loser amd Foolish Heart.... And phil singing Eyes-- guess I was wrong

I want to express my support Bob's efforts. I think he does a great job on the Jerry songs, and I am not alone. Even Bob critics refer repeatedly to songs Bob sang as show highlights. (Dear Prudence no less!) Apart from earning the right to sing those songs by his history and the quality of his work, I have real concerns about JK as the Front Man for this band, which is what people are talking about when they suggest John sing the Jerry songs. The media does not know what to make of this band, and they need this extra boost. I saw mixed reviews (at best) in the major media (at least up through RR) or nothing at all. One fellow had a blog in Baltimore criticizing the paper there for having nothing special to say. (I did try to add something, but it took them too long to get me an ID.) I see a real positive trend in music blogs lately, but word is trickling out. This band has an amazing story to tell, and I am hoping for a spectacular run of some span of years, This level of success requires a compelling story about who this band is, where they came from, and why they are hanging in there. This is a job for Bob, I believe, and his relationship with Jerry is a big part of that story. Bob can do better, but in some measure this involves giving this band a public persona that rises above the negative side of Dead history (and the background of some recent shows).

Greg, so you're saying that a marketing and branding plan should take priority over what's better for the music? Interesting.

As someone who has seen DSO quite a few times...

you WANT to see this band play Foolish Heart with John at the lead. It's awesome.

>>>Which 8?

Foolish Heart (lame song)
Smokestack (boring)
Cosmic Charlie (they never play it well)
Around and Around (again, boring and predictable)
Hey Jude (not interested)
Money For Gasoline
Looks Like Rain (boring and cliche)
Revolution (another predictable cover song)

It's not that I dislike the songs, other than Foolish Heart, it's just that I'd strongly prefer others.

Very high energy and tight night, John was on fire. A lot of songs that I don't especially want to hear (especially the second set) but played really well. Phil owned Eyes, he and Jeff had some great stuff going on there, LLR was classic Bob cheese done to perfection, Hard to Handle had a great boogie jam in it, Rider peaked and the set should have ended there, A&A was almost a tag on after that. Jam out of the blues material on the first set into CF was really good and everything through Money for Gasoline smoked, US Blues seemed a little ragged and you could tell it was time for a break. Reading was more of a psychedelic mind f#@k, last night high energy good time. Easy encore to bolt on and neat the crowd. Two really good night, love this band.

The thing that makes the Grateful Dead who they are, is how they play, not what they play. It's all about the live experience, and the issues are simple: good night versus bad night. I am wondering if you could magically hear a 70's GD show today, who would complain about the setlist, or who sang what, or how Phil's voice was. It's kind of like going to a world series game and complaining that the score was 1 to 0, because there was not enough hitting. What is absolutely true about this band is that whatever they play, they are playing extremely well. I never would believe that a highlight tune for me would be King Solomon's Marbles...not in a million years. But the fact that it jammed out like no other tune I've heard since 1972 tells me this band understands what we want. How can ANYONE not want to hear a jammed out smokestack lightening??? Especially how well this band is playing. As far as I can tell, the set list is simply the luck of the draw, and you have to get on the damn bus and go to a few shows. Evaluate the gig as 10 shows at 3 hours....30 hours of music. If you can only attend one, and all you catch are 10 songs, how can you possibly rate the whole gig on that? Lets all try to remember, what we love most about this band. If you want to hear your favorite top 10 tunes, go a Brittany Spears concert. Thats just not the way this works. There a band beyond f-king description!

i think some folks need to remember were talking about furthur on these threads, not the grateful dead...

i really enjoyed last night...the best part about seeing this band is that every night..crap..every set is unique in its own way. its interesting and its unpredictable...some of the comments ive read here about preictable songs...are actually the songs furthur BARELY plays

hey, when did the show start and end? I'm trying to figure out what time the MSG shows might end

"The thing that makes the Grateful Dead who they are, is how they play, not what they play. It's all about the live experience, and the issues are simple: good night versus bad night. I am wondering if you could magically hear a 70's GD show today, who would complain about the setlist, or who sang what, or how Phil's voice was."

We all need to be reminded of this.

they are bringing music to the people and that is great. Bob Weir jumping around, Phil dropping bombs and a bunch of kids living their fantasies out on stage. What would we have to do on a Wednesday is they weren't out there? In this vein this was terrific, it seems a bit nostalgic and every show has it's moments (jam during Pride) for me last night. The fact is there will never be another epic or original show since we know who drove that horse. Good musicians carrying on the tradition and providing a venue for people to let their freak flags fly. Worth my 60 bucks a couple times a year for sure..
the one thing that struck me was the security guard was dodging all night finally knew the words to one song and smiled during touch..

Show started about 7:50, ended around 11:15.

I wonder how anyone who complains about predictable sets woud have handled 69?

thx, Tom

"It is amazing to me how different peoples opinions can be... I thought everyonge LOVED Black Peter and Loser amd Foolish Heart.... And phil singing Eyes-- guess I was wrong"

It is weird really. I saw someone wrote regarding the Reading show how bummed they were when Playin' opened the second set, and I thought to myself how could anyone be bummed to hear those notes. I love that song, perfect mix of straight rock and wild jamming on a good night.

I will say I vastly prefer songs I am not terribly enamored with played with intensity and tightness to my favorite songs played lacking something. And for the most part, they nailed everything they did last night. A few of the piano solos got a bit off track in the second set, but I enjoyed the hell out of the night and cannot wait for MSG.

Particular highlights were funkiness of the Smokestack Spoonful sandwich,the over the top Black Throated Wind, which built to an incredibly intense finish.
The jam between verses of Cucamonga was a particular highlight, almost a song unto itself is sounded so different from the lyrical parts. LLR was Bobby in fine form. And they did play the hell out of Foolish Heart, really was a fantastic version, just not a song I put high on my list of songs to hear, but they nailed it. Really might have been the best played song of the night.

winky65 that was me about playing in reading and if you read what i wrote i just would have prefered something else but i still loved the show..totally 100%.....i just felt having seen playing 100x that maybe something else was coming that maybe i hadnt heard before

Gratefullbillnj,
I read what you wrote and I understand completely, it is just an example of how we all love different stuff. I never get tired of Playin'. Others love Foolish Heart. It's what makes the world do whatever it does......

>>>I wonder how anyone who complains about predictable sets woud have handled 69?

Furthur sure as hell ain't GD circa 1969!


Predictable sets are one thing, predictable songs are another. A 69 set can be predictable in a very good way. I like that type of set--give me full-on raging psychedelia every time and I'm happy.
A song like Around and Around is predictable, as is Revolution, Hey Jude, etc..I prefer the songs that have the largest possibility of veering into the strange.

Also, now that I live in Europe and see very few shows--NYE will be my only show this year--I want to hear my favorite songs. Is that wrong? If I hear others played well, that's cool. We all have preferences. If you're open to any song at any time and find it as satisfying as a Dark Star Viola sandwich, more power to ya.

I saw that show

It was simply Blazin' from beginning to end. I have seen a few of these and Baltimore totally rocked.

If you couldn't get into it, well OK, but it ROCKED.

Sound was about Flawless. Lights were perfect. Cute chicks everywhere, and cold beer cheap.

Complainters, give it a listen.

I'll forever be completely dumbfounded by those who don't enjoy watching Phil sing, in particular Eyes. How his big smile and obvious, great enthusiasm for the music and words aren't entirely infectious is beyond me. Just look at him when he sings. If he doesn't light up the room and your heart with his pure joy, then I'm at a loss as to what will. The notes/key/whatever are such a low priority to the sincerity and energy he brings to the microphone. Different strokes for different folks, but I simply cannot understand why he doesn't affect some people in the most beautiful of ways. When he takes a step towards the mike, I also take a step forward.

Phil always sings in tune and personally I feel his voice as gotten better over the years, way ahead of what it was in the 80's. It's the quality of his voice his voice that people can't get over.

Zeno Marx....i could not have said it better myself. Eyes of the world sounds great...this site kills me.
It is philzone after all??

looks like mixed reviews....and it is OK not to say every show is killer. I always hated GD reviews from people who would never give an honest assessment of the music. This doesn't mean you don't love the band...it was not your song choice or did not have the same energy. I am grateful that this band is here and I will see as many shows as possible...let the recording decide which shows sounded the best...good advice, Bro.

can you "fans" of the bobby black peter and days between tell me with a straight face that he does those tunes better than John would? Do you think JK should give up stella, comes a times and so many roads to bobby? I'd rather hear chicago joe play beatles covers thru bill walton's kazoo than hear than see that happen. If JK is the right choice on stella, so many rds, crazy fingers, etc, than he is the right choice on ALL the JG ballads. more up-tempo garcia numbers (eyes, Loose Lucy) lend themsleves easier to covers from phil and bobby

can you "fans" of the bobby black peter and days between tell me with a straight face that he does those tunes better than John would? Do you think JK should give up stella, comes a times and so many roads to bobby? I'd rather hear chicago joe play beatles covers thru bill walton's kazoo than hear than see that happen. If JK is the right choice on stella, so many rds, crazy fingers, etc, than he is the right choice on ALL the JG ballads. more up-tempo garcia numbers (eyes, Loose Lucy) lend themsleves easier to covers from phil and bobby

That all makes perfect sense Spencer. But you're forgetting that Bobby gets to choose which songs he wants to sing because he and Phil run the show. I'd rather hear John sing the Jerry ballads as well, but he isn't making those decisions. The fact of the matter is that for all that John brings to the show (and he brings a lot, I've been made a believer) he's still a hired hand and if Bob says "I'm singing Black Peter" then that's how it goes. It's a take it or leave it situation, and I'm not going to stop seeing this band just because every now and then I have to hear Bob sing a song that I think John should be singing.

BTW, anyone notice that they did the "See here how everything" bridge twice Wednesday night?

i loved black peter the other night and yes they did do the refrain twice...i understand the bob rule ..and thats what makes john better...when he gets a chance to shine he delivers...i just listened to wharf rat from readin and its as good as it gets...and im going to make a crazy statement right now...ive been to 350 with jerry and 100 without and i dont care what other people are going to say about this comment....the wharf rat the other night was just as good if not better than any jerry wharf rat i ever heard...to me the difference is the backup singers and johns clear crisp voice and playing that hasnt been ravaged by 30 years of cigs and heroin....and i love jerry...but sometimes people do come up with a way to build a better mousetrap...i met him after the show and we speceifically talked aboiut let it grow into wharf rat and he was a nice friendly soft spoken guy who couldnt keep saying thanx for the praise enough...ha stood there and let us take pics and sign autographs and laugh and listen to what we were saying...he didnt have to do any of that...he knows he has impossible shoes to fill and imo he does it with flying colors...my only regret is that they should have doen this 5-7 years ago...and for the people who bash ..which is your right...i say good keep bashing and keep people from going...just makes it easier for my friends and i to get better tickets and smaller venues...see you all tomorrow

during black peter it seemed to me that bobby was fighting his guitar, mic and feet at the same time.....it looked like he was having trouble but maybe its normal....i dunno

if bob weir wants to sing a jerry song let him. its a miracle he is up there singing and playing at all...those songs will mean more to bobby than they could ever mean to john

My one and only show, disappointing setlist. I agree with St. Stephen, at least 8 songs that I wished weren't played. For me the highlights were BTW, Pride, Eyes and Rider. Rider, was awesome, but it was too little and way too late to save the second set. They had so much other material to play. The setlists have been great on this tour up to this show. Bummer for me. Don't get me wrong, they can plan and did play. But the song choices sucked, especially the 2nd set. Foolish Heart to open, c'mon. Then it just get worse. Cosmic Charlie has been played at my last 3 shows, I like it but that's too much and it was in the wrong spot. LLR, time to hit the head and get a beer. Hard to Handle is okay, maybe it will pick up? No chance. Dear Mr Fantasy, now I'm really depressed. I don't ever need to hear this song again. Hey Jude was laughable. Eyes is good, thought we might have a chance to a stong end, but Black Peter was another bore. Rider was as good as it gets. There's no way around it, this setlist sucked big time.

This was a terrible setlist on paper. Saying that, these guys played really good, transitions were really tight. The spoonful was awesome, Crazy Fingers, BTW was chilling. The place was empty and my first tought was I feel bad for the people there are not here, there missing out. These guys played there heart out for us. Thanks

"I'd rather hear chicago joe play beatles covers thru bill walton's kazoo than hear than see that happen."

I am available for holiday events and parties.

Zoners- The control thing for BW: that is my issue - I want bobby to let that rock star "I'm in charge stuff" go just a little so this awesome emsemble can reach its full potential...When i see two in a row, I'm cringing in anticipation of that JG ballad slot from BW....Now, does that stop me from going to two in a row? NO. but why not do it as good as you can?
-Doc

"during black peter it seemed to me that bobby was fighting his guitar,..."

He and John were both using effects on this song and it sounded to me like Bobby didn't have the settings correct.

Grateful Bill, Im on board. Ive got as many shows of both as well. I have seen 13 of these this past year, and the three shows I just saw (Chicago, Chicago, and Cincy) were as great, tight, well played, jammed out, as anything I've ever heard. I could honestly say that there was not ONE single moment that they were not on their game. It really doesn't matter who sings what, the music is playing the band right now...Phil is absolutely just not believable...and the three new guys are maybe the best musicians the Dead have ever seen outside of the group. The Grateful Dead invented the jam band phenomena, and Furthur is proving that what they intended to do is far greater than perhaps what they actually have done. Jerry once said in an interview that they were never really quite there...they were always 6 months behind what they were trying to get to.... Well right now, at least, Furthur is spot on the money.

the only song that really cooked was rider Period!! who ever wrote these setlists needs some help. the whole first setlist was clunkie and slow and ditto with the second. Although the sound was right on. I still had fun just had to work at it a little harder.

i cheese is correct, Rider was the only song that smoked. I've been down for two days because of that BS setlist. I got the shitty setlist in Charlotte back in Feb. So I'm 0 for 2 with this band so far. And I'm sure tonight will be a monster set list. WTF!?

those songs will mean more to bobby than they could ever mean to john

I wish that were true in practice, not just in theory. He does some strange shit up there, and that isn't code for: He does some interesting shit up there.

zeno---because he's a strange dude---take it or leave it

I keep checking Archive.org for a recording of this show...but nothing...what gives?